Good idea.  And then when he comes to the next rehearsal with his father's 
sawed off shot gun, be sure to duck.  Is Marcus Bona making Kevlar horn cases 
these days?  Honestly, Hans, I thought we Italian-Americans were known for our 
dark sense of humor, but I must admit, you have us beat.    



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Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:30 PM
To: 'The Horn List'
Subject: RE: [Hornlist] disrespect in the section


Hello Mara, with this kind of disrespectful individuals
there is just ONE cure:

Play a wild clam here & there & look at him, but very
convincing that HE was the one with the clam. After two or
three times doing so (even in the concert) he will get red
face any time you clam, voluntarily or by chance. The
conductor will act & fire him.

If all does not help, get two of your best friends & wait
for him. Give him a strong warning, very earnest & with
modest words & voice: "If you dont stop your nasty
attitudes, well, you will get your "face polished"." This is
not the finest method, but it works in most cases. And it is
necessary for the sake of the orchestra & the band.

We had a superb method, used once in every single case.
Catch the boy, pants down & polish his ass with black shoe
polish, really polishing by a brush. But do not forget,
putting a (potatoe) sack over his head first. He will have a
hell, removing the black "ass". But you & your friends
should take care, not to hurt him. This is the rough antic
educational method, a very successful method for special
individuals.

The other methods with polite talking with all parties
involved, they sound much better, but are fruitless mostly.
World is that like, sorry.

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Behalf Of Mara Cushion
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:01 PM
To: horn@music.memphis.edu
Subject: [Hornlist] disrespect in the section

Hey all,
 
I was wondering if anyone might give me suggestions as to
how to deal with a disrespectful section member.  I am
section leader for both the top band and orchestra at my
school and there's one kid in particular who keeps giving me
attitude.  I have much more experience than he does in music
on and off the horn, so I am confident in the decisions I
make.  However, the 2nd horn, doesn't want to listen to what
I tell him to do.  He's mouthy and rude to me and thoroughly
enjoys making me look bad in front of the entire ensemble.
He points out my mistakes to everyone and won't stop talking
until he's made sure he's succeeded.  He raises his voice
across the top of the ensemble and is just flat out defiant.

 
I am 4 years older than him and have been playing horn at
least that much longer than him.  Last year, when I wasn't
section leader, he never acted like that, but now it's
constant.  I don't know how to gain control of the situation
and it would be nice if he just kept quiet.  I understand if
he has a valid question, but I feel it is rather
disrespectful for him to be pointing out my mistakes.  Can
anyone offer me any suggestions of things I might say to him
or at least gain some control?  I don't want to be a bitch
and lose my cool.
 
Thanks,
Mara
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