Hi Barbara
I appreciate your testimony about beginners experience. Your various testtimony
are important for us to adapt and find the best strategy to adapt our workflow
including training material, mapathons, Tasks instructions, Validations.
Areas with no Description : If this correspond to a polygon where no tags were
added, our Global Validation process can take care with Query to the database
and spot all of these and correct.
Buildings not aligned : Bing imagery is our basis to align objects. When we
work with post-disaster imagery, it might be slighlty moved away from Bing.
Both in ID and JOSM it is possible to realign the imagery to correspond to what
was previously mapped. The importance is to keep coherence among all objects
mapped. This is often a mistake of new contributors to each realign buildings
using various images.
To go back to a tile you worked on, You go back to the Task Manager job you
workded on. Go to the Stats panel of the TM job and pass the mouse over your
OSM-ID. This will show the tile you worked on. If nobody works presently on the
tile, you can click to review the tile.
To show your TM history, click on your OSM-ID in this Stats panel.
Yes, a lot of people, of volunteer people from around the world are doing great
work supporting Kathmandu Living Labs and the Nepal population, including you!
Thanks a lot!
Sometimes frustrating this crowdsourcing, but we surely all gain something
working together, gathering from around the world and exploring ways to provide
better answers while participating to such disaster managements. As many have
said in the medias, this is a great way to make the difference other then
providing money to caritative organizatons. And be assured that the
organizations appreciate the efforts made by this virtual volunteered community.
cheers
Pierre
De : Barbara Figge <bfi...@web.de>
À : john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
Cc : Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr>; "hot@openstreetmap.org"
<hot@openstreetmap.org>
Envoyé le : Samedi 9 mai 2015 11h12
Objet : Aw: Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
Hi to everyone,I am one of the beginners of the last weeks, since last friday I
mapped - mostly buildings (and mostly unsquared, I am one of them, too), tried
some paths. I try to read the mailing list notes in between, I started with the
mapgive things before first mapping, I read the instructions before starting, I
did not validate and though these mistakes happened. But I am learning a
lot.Currently I am a little irritated about all the mistakes one can make and
so I made up my mind not to stop mapping, but to stay on the safe side of the
street: mapping buildings, and after I noticed the importance of buildings
being squared, squaring my and the buildings of others.Now there are some
questions left: in the tile I worked in there are some areas without
description (and no bulding or something else to see)- shall I delete them or
do they have a special reason I overread in the mailing list conversation?There
are a lot of mapped buildings, where the symbol is some meters away from the
building. Shall I correct or is it okay?And: is there a possibility to go back
to a tile I worked on by searching the number or must I search inside the
map?Best wishes and: as far as I can see from my small desk, a lot of people
are doing great work!Barbarabarbaraulrike in osm Gesendet: Samstag, 09. Mai
2015 um 15:11 Uhr
Von: "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
An: "Pierre Béland" <pierz...@yahoo.fr>
Cc: "hot@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org>
Betreff: Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018I think I'm moderately experienced in
mapping. In West Africa I'm very comfortable validating, in Nepal I'm happy I
know what a building looks like but paths, streams etc I'm not so comfortable
with, there is a lot of distracting detail on the images. Do I validate and
clean up the building and tag side? Or just add a few more buildings?
Thoughts?
Thanks John On 9 May 2015 at 08:27, Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
We have to adapt to an awesome contribution with this Nepal emergency. We need
more people. At the same time, we need to adapt in various ways to
crowdsourcing as we see various problems arizing. I also opened a ticket. This
would be for the validators to prioritize validating first for the less
experienced. A checkbox could let show only tiles selected by less experienced
contributors.https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599 regard
Pierre De : Severin Menard <severin.men...@gmail.com>
À : Extra Paul <paulok...@hotmail.com>
Cc : "hot@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org>
Envoyé le : Samedi 9 mai 2015 7h49
Objet : Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018 Hi all,
I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of unvalidating
tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There is no offense I
hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and improving is part of
the motivation with OSM, IMHO.I just suggested this change in the asking
Manager that should prevent in the future the fact that tiles are validated by
beginners:https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598, titled:
Validate button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with JOSM. I
also hope iD will have in the future not only a building mapping tool, but also
(as mappers may not use the building tool) an automatic proposition to square
or round the shape that has just been traced as soon as a building tag is
chosen (GitHub issue: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624). The
tools and the documentation apart, we also need to organize and exchange
between us the people: who is interested in validation checking meaning also
providing feedback or monitoring beginners? Basically you need to be a
proficient user of JOSM and having a lot of edits (not less than with 4-5
zeros, I would say)It takes a bit of time but it is valuable and a nice way to
interact. My hello to Suzan Reed who asked me directly for monitoring her
tasks.We have a list (thanks to Pascal Neis!) of the beginners from the start
of the Activation, some are drive-bys (typically only 1 day of mapping, a few
edits) and others more to super committed mappers. I have started a spreadsheet
for those who would like to monitor these committed mappers. Sincerely, Severin
On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Extra Paul <paulok...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear openstreetmappers :) I'm quite worried about the quality of maps for task
1018.Many of mappers, obviously, did not check the instructions or even the
tutorials. People want to help, and that's awesome, but maybe validation should
be done my more experienced and meticulous mappers.I've seen mappers validating
more that 10 areas in less than an hour, and those areas still contain many
errors : clusters of buildings mapped as one, landuse=residential area used for
clusters of nothing more than 1 or 2 buildings, many streams seen as footpath,
many paths in the middle of nowhere... Maybe instructions should contain some
images to show clearly what is expected, and explain that the purpose of this
map is to count each individual buildings and have roads and paths connected to
them so buildings can be reached by humanitarian teams.Currently, most of my
time on 1018 is to check validated areas because half of those areas are not
correctly mapped. Paul
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