probably while editing you have changed/deleted something, and the system is telling what you are going to save
Roberto ~~~~~~~~ quote of the day ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "more beer!" (Big Wednesday - 1978) -- In data lunedì 11 maggio 2015 13:51:05, Barbara Figge ha scritto: > <html><head></head><body><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: > 12.0px;"><div> > <div>Hello everyone!</div> > > <div>As promided I continued mapping buildings today. I just right now wanted > to save the changes (nearly 200 buildings, now I know why one should do it > earlier...) and get a message" You are just to delete 466 elements, are > you sure?" Surely I not want to delete these ones but also I want to > save my 200 buildings... Sonmeone here who knows what I did or what I can do > now? It's again task 1018, #2777.</div> > > <div>Thank your very much and greetings!</div> > > <div>Barbara</div> > > <div> > <div name="quote" style="margin:10px 5px 5px 10px; padding: 10px 0 10px 10px; > border-left:2px solid #C3D9E5; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: > space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"> > <div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 > um 18:22 Uhr<br/> > <b>Von:</b> "Barbara Figge" <bfi...@web.de><br/> > <b>An:</b> "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com><br/> > <b>Cc:</b> "hot@openstreetmap.org" > <hot@openstreetmap.org><br/> > <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018</div> > > <div name="quoted-content"> > <div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"> > <div> > <div>Thanks for the words and information, so I will continue mapping > buildings!</div> > > <div>Greetings,</div> > > <div>Barbara</div> > > <div> > <div style="margin: 10.0px 5.0px 5.0px 10.0px;padding: 10.0px 0 10.0px > 10.0px;border-left: 2.0px solid rgb(195,217,229);"> > <div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 09. Mai > 2015 um 18:08 Uhr<br/> > <b>Von:</b> "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com><br/> > <b>An:</b> "Barbara Figge" <bfi...@web.de><br/> > <b>Cc:</b> "Pierre Béland" <pierz...@yahoo.fr>, > "hot@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org><br/> > <b>Betreff:</b> Re: Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018</div> > > <div> > <div> > <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana , > sans-serif;font-size: small;">Pierre says it best but my thoughts > follow.</div> > > <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana , > sans-serif;font-size: small;"><br/> > To me the unsquared buildings are not a major issue in Nepal. Within a > tile a JOSM user can select buildings, then select an unsquared one remember > the user select buildings once more then square all the buildings for that > user in one keystroke.<br/> > </div> > > <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana , > sans-serif;font-size: small;">As a beginner I suggest you don't correct > odd areas, let someone else do the dirty deed, it saves having upset users > and sometimes its just a matter of someone forgetting to tag it and often an > experienced mapper can glance at it and give it a tag.<br/> > </div> > > <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana , > sans-serif;font-size: small;">Paths and tracks unless its very clear I stay > away from these in Nepal and I'm fairly experienced. There are a > number of terraces, the land can be quite steep so even though two ends of a > path may look close together reality is its a long drop between the two.<br/> > </div> > > <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana , > sans-serif;font-size: small;">For the moment I'd just add buildings, if > you can manage to use JOSM and the building_tool plugin, you'll need the > remote control plugin as well you'll find it's very easy to use and > produces squared buildings correctly tagged and we have a lot of buildings to > add.<br/> > </div> > > <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana , > sans-serif;font-size: small;">Cheerio John</div> > </div> > > <div class="gmail_extra"> > <div class="gmail_quote">On 9 May 2015 at 11:12, Barbara Figge > <span><<a>bfi...@web.de</a>></span> wrote: > > <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px > rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"> > <div> > <div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"> > <div> > <div>Hi to everyone,</div> > > <div>I am one of the beginners of the last weeks, since last friday I mapped > - mostly buildings (and mostly unsquared, I am one of them, too), tried some > paths. I try to read the mailing list notes in between, I started with the > mapgive things before first mapping, I read the instructions before starting, > I did not validate and though these mistakes happened. But I am learning a > lot.</div> > > <div>Currently I am a little irritated about all the mistakes one can make > and so I made up my mind not to stop mapping, but to stay on the safe side of > the street: mapping buildings, and after I noticed the importance of > buildings being squared, squaring my and the buildings of others.</div> > > <div>Now there are some questions left: in the tile I worked in there are > some areas without description (and no bulding or something else to see)- > shall I delete them or do they have a special reason I overread in the > mailing list conversation?</div> > > <div>There are a lot of mapped buildings, where the symbol is some meters > away from the building. Shall I correct or is it okay?</div> > > <div>And: is there a possibility to go back to a tile I worked on by > searching the number or must I search inside the map?</div> > > <div>Best wishes and: as far as I can see from my small desk, a lot of people > are doing great work!</div> > > <div>Barbara</div> > > <div>barbaraulrike in osm</div> > > <div> > <div style="margin: 10.0px 5.0px 5.0px 10.0px;padding: 10.0px 0 10.0px > 10.0px;border-left: 2.0px solid rgb(195,217,229);"> > <div style="margin: 0 0 10.0px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 09. Mai > 2015 um 15:11 Uhr<br/> > <b>Von:</b> "john whelan" > <<a>jwhelan0...@gmail.com</a>><br/> > <b>An:</b> "Pierre Béland" > <<a>pierz...@yahoo.fr</a>><br/> > <b>Cc:</b> "<a>hot@openstreetmap.org</a>" > <<a>hot@openstreetmap.org</a>><br/> > <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018</div> > > <div> > <div class="h5"> > <div> > <div> > <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana , > sans-serif;font-size: small;">I think I'm moderately experienced in > mapping. In West Africa I'm very comfortable validating, in Nepal > I'm happy I know what a building looks like but paths, streams etc > I'm not so comfortable with, there is a lot of distracting detail on the > images. Do I validate and clean up the building and tag side? Or > just add a few more buildings?<br/> > </div> > > <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana , > sans-serif;font-size: small;">Thoughts?<br/> > </div> > > <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana , > sans-serif;font-size: small;">Thanks John</div> > </div> > > <div class="gmail_extra"> > <div class="gmail_quote">On 9 May 2015 at 08:27, Pierre Béland > <span><<a href="http://pierz...@yahoo.fr"; > target="_blank">pierz...@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote: > > <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px > rgb(204,204,204) solid;padding-left: 1.0ex;"> > <div> > <div style="color: rgb(0,0,0);background-color: rgb(255,255,255);font-family: > verdana , helvetica , sans-serif;font-size: 13.0px;"> > <div>We have to adapt to an awesome contribution with this Nepal emergency. > We need more people. At the same time, we need to adapt in various ways to > crowdsourcing as we see various problems arizing.</div> > > <div> </div> > > <div>I also opened a ticket. This would be for the validators to prioritize > validating first for the less experienced. A checkbox could let show only > tiles selected by less experienced contributors.</div> > > <div><a href="https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599"; > target="_blank">https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599</a></div> > > <div> </div> > > <div> > <div>regard</div> > </div> > > <div><span style="font-style: italic;color: rgb(0,0,191);font-weight: > bold;"> <br/> > <font face="garamond, new york, times, serif">Pierre </font></span></div> > > > <div style="font-family: verdana , helvetica , sans-serif;font-size: 13.0px;"> > <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue , Helvetica Neue , Helvetica , Arial , > Lucida Grande , sans-serif;font-size: 16.0px;"> > <div> > <hr size="1"/><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: > bold;">De :</span></b> Severin Menard <<a > href="http://severin.men...@gmail.com"; > target="_blank">severin.men...@gmail.com</a>><br/> > <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">À :</span></b> Extra Paul > <<a href="http://paulok...@hotmail.com"; > target="_blank">paulok...@hotmail.com</a>><br/> > <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc :</span></b> "<a > href="http://hot@openstreetmap.org"; > target="_blank">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>" <<a > href="http://hot@openstreetmap.org"; > target="_blank">hot@openstreetmap.org</a>><br/> > <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoyé le :</span></b> Samedi 9 > mai 2015 7h49<br/> > <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet :</span></b> Re: [HOT] Worried > about task 1018</font></div> > > <div> > <div> > <div> > <div> > <div> > <div> > <div> > <div>Hi all,<br clear="none"/> > </div> > I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of unvalidating > tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There is no offense I > hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and improving is part of > the motivation with OSM, IMHO.</div> > I just suggested this change in the asking Manager that should prevent in the > future the fact that tiles are validated by beginners: > > <div style="margin: 0.0px;text-indent: 0.0px;"><a > href="https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598"; > target="_blank">https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598</a>, > titled: Validate button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with > JOSM. </div> > > <div style="margin: 0.0px;text-indent: 0.0px;">I also hope iD will have in > the future not only a building mapping tool, but also (as mappers may not use > the building tool) an automatic proposition to square or round the shape that > has just been traced as soon as a building tag is chosen (GitHub issue: <a > href="https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624"; > target="_blank">https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624</a>).</div> > > <div style="margin: 0.0px;text-indent: 0.0px;"> </div> > > <div style="margin: 0.0px;text-indent: 0.0px;">The tools and the > documentation apart, we also need to organize and exchange between us the > people: who is interested in validation checking meaning also providing > feedback or monitoring beginners? Basically you need to be a proficient user > of JOSM and having a lot of edits (not less than with 4-5 zeros, I would > say)</div> > > <div style="margin: 0.0px;text-indent: 0.0px;">It takes a bit of time but it > is valuable and a nice way to interact. My hello to Suzan Reed who asked > me directly for monitoring her tasks.</div> > > <div style="margin: 0.0px;text-indent: 0.0px;">We have a <a > href="http://tools.neis-one.org/tmp/20150425-20150505_Nepal_NewContributorsOSM.txt"; > target="_blank">list</a> (thanks to Pascal Neis!) of the beginners from the > start of the Activation, some are drive-bys (typically only 1 day of mapping, > a few edits) and others more to super committed mappers. I have started a > spreadsheet for those who would like to monitor these committed mappers.</div> > > <div style="margin: 0.0px;text-indent: 0.0px;"> </div> > > <div style="margin: 0.0px;text-indent: 0.0px;">Sincerely,</div> > > <div style="margin: 0.0px;text-indent: 0.0px;"> </div> > > <div style="margin: 0.0px;text-indent: 0.0px;">Severin</div> > > <div> > <div> > <div> > <div> > <div>On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Extra Paul <span><<a > href="http://paulok...@hotmail.com"; > target="_blank">paulok...@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote: > > <blockquote style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.8ex;border-left: 1.0px solid > rgb(204,204,204);padding-left: 1.0ex;"> > <div><br/> > </div> > > <div> > <div> > <div>Dear openstreetmappers :) > <div> </div> > > <div>I'm quite worried about the quality of maps for task 1018.</div> > > <div>Many of mappers, obviously, did not check the instructions or even the > tutorials. <span style="font-size: 12.0pt;">People want to help, and > that's awesome, but maybe validation should be done my more experienced > and meticulous mappers.</span></div> > > <div>I've seen mappers validating more that 10 areas in less than an > hour, and those areas still contain many errors : clusters of buildings > mapped as one, landuse=residential area used for clusters of nothing more > than 1 or 2 buildings, many streams seen as footpath, many paths in the > middle of nowhere... </div> > > <div>Maybe instructions should contain some images to show clearly what is > expected, and explain that the purpose of this map is to count each > individual buildings and have roads and paths connected to them so buildings > can be reached by humanitarian teams.</div> > > <div>Currently, most of my time on 1018 is to check validated areas because > half of those areas are not correctly mapped.</div> > > <div> </div> > > <div>Paul</div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </blockquote> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > <br/> > _______________________________________________<br/> > HOT mailing list<br/> > <a href="http://HOT@openstreetmap.org"; > target="_blank">HOT@openstreetmap.org</a><br/> > <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot"; > target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a><br/> > </blockquote> > </div> > </div> > _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list > <a>HOT@openstreetmap.org</a> <a > href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot"; > target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a></div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </blockquote> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > </div> > _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org <a href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot"; > target="_blank">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot</a></div> > </div> > </div> > </div></div></body></html> > > _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
