check in /out might be considered a regional dialect, you have to consider the audience and their level of English, I think keep it as simple and as clear as possible.
Cheerio John On 29 August 2015 at 20:15, Denis Carriere <carriere.de...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm liking "check in" & "check out", I feel terminology is more commonly > used. > > Also ethically the words "start work" doesn't look as good as button vs. > "check in". > > My personal opinion, +1 on "check in" & "check out" > > *~~~~~~* > *Denis Carriere* > *GIS Project Manager* > > *Twitter: @DenisCarriere <https://twitter.com/DenisCarriere/>* > *OSM: DenisCarriere <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DenisCarriere>* > Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com > > On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Suzan Reed <su...@suzanreed.com> wrote: > >> Would 'start work' and 'stop work' be clear to all people? >> >> Suzan >> Sent from my phone. Please forgive errors. >> >> >> >> On August 29, 2015 11:46:55 AM Jarmo Kivekäs <jarmo.kive...@guttula.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi! >>> >>> There has been some related discussion in a github issue[1] about this >>> last October. >>> >>> I rather like the "Stop working on task" alternative that is suggested >>> instead of the "Unlock" button in that issue. Especially since currently >>> the button to lock a task says "Start mapping". There is more obvious >>> connection between start/stop than start/unlock. >>> >>> Checking in and checking out content is probably a strange concept to >>> many. I don't think it's an improvement over locking and unlocking. >>> >>> "Submit for review" is a definitive improvement over "Mark as done". It >>> should be implemented. >>> >>> I've played around a little and made the changes I like the best in a >>> local copy of the tasking manager (screenshot in attachment). I'll >>> implement the changes and make a pull request if we come to an agreement. >>> >>> -- jarmo >>> >>> [1] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/401 >>> >>> On 29.08.2015 05:22, Jim Smith wrote: >>> >>>> I like the idea of renaming the 'mark as done' button to 'submit for >>>> review'. Little tweaks like that can bring clarity to those starting out. >>>> Also Suzan suggested that the “lock” “unlock” function be renamed to “Check >>>> out” and “check in". That would make a big difference as well. >>>> >>>> I don't want to be too overenthusiastic but is there any reason not to >>>> make those two improvements? If no objection, can they be done soon? >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Martin Dittus [mailto:mar...@dekstop.de] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 7:44 AM >>>> To: David Toy <d...@vidtoy.co.uk> >>>> Cc: hot <hot@openstreetmap.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Validation >>>> >>>> As I’m going through the comments again (here and on my diary post) I’m >>>> starting to realise how important it is to give feedback to newcomers. >>>> Without it, few people will ever feel confident about their contributions. >>>> >>>> In many cases it probably doesn’t even need to be feedback from an >>>> expert — it could be a comment from someone with similar experience levels. >>>> A second pair of eyes. >>>> >>>> An important part of this is being able to ask someone for a second >>>> opinion. At a mapathon that’s easy, but where do remote mappers go? >>>> >>>> m. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24 Aug 2015, at 19:00, David Toy <d...@vidtoy.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jarmo. Welcome! >>>>> >>>>> My introduction/onboarding to HOT was almost identical to Jarmo's - >>>>> and I can relate very clearly to all the points he has raised. I suspect >>>>> that there are a few more lurkers on this list who will be similar. >>>>> >>>>> Pierre G's document suggests renaming the 'mark as done' button to >>>>> 'submit for review'. >>>>> >>>>> A simplification of terms / altered workflow would have helped me >>>>> initially. Taking the example of the done button, 'submit for review' >>>>> implies that: >>>>> - a) it's ok to make a mistake getting started - someone will catch >>>>> it, and >>>>> - b) I should expect feedback >>>>> >>>>> This helps with Jarmo's first and second scenarios, but also softens >>>>> the blow when (your first) task is coldly invalidated with only four >>>>> words of explanation. (Validators: that's not a criticism - I >>>>> understand the time pressure.) >>>>> >>>>> Also, not all users will read the docs - while training resources are >>>>> useful, these little nudges of understanding help all users - even the new >>>>> ones who enthusiastically started but didn't read the instructions. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> On 24 August 2015 at 17:18, Jarmo Kivekäs <jarmo.kive...@guttula.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> I've been lurking on the mailing list for a while, but I'm still >>>>> fairly new to HOT. I though I'd pitch in. >>>>> >>>>> I definitely recognized myself from Martin's write up as belonging to >>>>> the set of contributors who commit changes but don't mark tiles as >>>>> done. >>>>> Below are some reasons why I've not marked tiles as complete in the >>>>> past. >>>>> >>>>> 1. I think part of the reason is that I started out mapping on my own >>>>> (I haven't found a local community, nor was I introduced to mapping on >>>>> a mapathon). Therefore I haven't been able to just quickly ask someone >>>>> advice about something I'm unsure about. In these cases I've usually >>>>> left a comment in the tasking manager about whatever I was unsure >>>>> about, mapped the rest, but not marked the tile as done. >>>>> >>>>> Not marking the tile done is me being conservative, I guess. As a new >>>>> mapper it is currently difficult to get feedback on the quality of >>>>> your mapping, you pretty much needs to actively seek it out. Getting >>>>> notifications when there are new comments on tiles you've worked on >>>>> would be nice. >>>>> >>>>> 2. When parts of a region are already mapped (probably form before the >>>>> activation was created) but the tiles that are already mapped are not >>>>> marked as done. I'm reluctant to mark a grid as done without making >>>>> any changes to it, even if it seemingly fills all the criterion for >>>>> the task. Especially when the grid has been locked my multiple users >>>>> in the past. "They didn't think it was as done, I'm probably missing >>>>> something." I realize that this thinking only propagates the problem, >>>>> since I'll just be one more user on the list. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Grids can be pretty large. Sometimes you just don't manage to map >>>>> it completely in a short sitting. I know grids can be split, but... >>>>> >>>>> 4. Sometimes I'll for example only be mapping roads. Doing this will >>>>> result in many tiles being checked out and changesets are generated, >>>>> but no tiles are actually being finished. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Jarmo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 24.08.2015 16:37, Martin Dittus wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Aug 2015, at 11:22, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd also like to see a third option on the tasking manger "I've done >>>>>>> some work but not completed the tile could someone review it please." >>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>> rather catch errors early and some new mappers may not feel confident >>>>>>> enough to mark a tile complete. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Considering better workflows for “incomplete” submissions is well >>>>>> worthwhile. This week I found that about half of all HOT contributors >>>>>> never >>>>>> mark their first task as “done” although they contributed edits to the >>>>>> map. >>>>>> >>>>>> I’ve written it up here, with stats and a brief discussion: >>>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/35649 >>>>>> >>>>>> m. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> HOT mailing list >>>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> HOT mailing list >>>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> HOT mailing list >>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> HOT mailing list >>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >
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