Also please remember that the tool is translated in other languages. On my side, I don't know how to translate "check in/out" in french. It depends on the situation. When I'm at the airport checking in luggages, or at a hotel checking in to get my room's keys, I won't use the same words.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 2:52 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: > check in /out might be considered a regional dialect, you have to consider > the audience and their level of English, I think keep it as simple and as > clear as possible. > > Cheerio John > > On 29 August 2015 at 20:15, Denis Carriere <carriere.de...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'm liking "check in" & "check out", I feel terminology is more commonly >> used. >> >> Also ethically the words "start work" doesn't look as good as button vs. >> "check in". >> >> My personal opinion, +1 on "check in" & "check out" >> >> ~~~~~~ >> Denis Carriere >> GIS Project Manager >> Twitter: @DenisCarriere >> OSM: DenisCarriere >> Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com >> >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Suzan Reed <su...@suzanreed.com> wrote: >>> >>> Would 'start work' and 'stop work' be clear to all people? >>> >>> Suzan >>> Sent from my phone. Please forgive errors. >>> >>> >>> >>> On August 29, 2015 11:46:55 AM Jarmo Kivekäs <jarmo.kive...@guttula.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> There has been some related discussion in a github issue[1] about this >>>> last October. >>>> >>>> I rather like the "Stop working on task" alternative that is suggested >>>> instead of the "Unlock" button in that issue. Especially since currently >>>> the button to lock a task says "Start mapping". There is more obvious >>>> connection between start/stop than start/unlock. >>>> >>>> Checking in and checking out content is probably a strange concept to >>>> many. I don't think it's an improvement over locking and unlocking. >>>> >>>> "Submit for review" is a definitive improvement over "Mark as done". It >>>> should be implemented. >>>> >>>> I've played around a little and made the changes I like the best in a >>>> local copy of the tasking manager (screenshot in attachment). I'll >>>> implement the changes and make a pull request if we come to an >>>> agreement. >>>> >>>> -- jarmo >>>> >>>> [1] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/401 >>>> >>>> On 29.08.2015 05:22, Jim Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I like the idea of renaming the 'mark as done' button to 'submit for >>>>> review'. Little tweaks like that can bring clarity to those starting out. >>>>> Also Suzan suggested that the “lock” “unlock” function be renamed to >>>>> “Check >>>>> out” and “check in". That would make a big difference as well. >>>>> >>>>> I don't want to be too overenthusiastic but is there any reason not to >>>>> make those two improvements? If no objection, can they be done soon? >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Martin Dittus [mailto:mar...@dekstop.de] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 7:44 AM >>>>> To: David Toy <d...@vidtoy.co.uk> >>>>> Cc: hot <hot@openstreetmap.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Validation >>>>> >>>>> As I’m going through the comments again (here and on my diary post) I’m >>>>> starting to realise how important it is to give feedback to newcomers. >>>>> Without it, few people will ever feel confident about their contributions. >>>>> >>>>> In many cases it probably doesn’t even need to be feedback from an >>>>> expert — it could be a comment from someone with similar experience >>>>> levels. >>>>> A second pair of eyes. >>>>> >>>>> An important part of this is being able to ask someone for a second >>>>> opinion. At a mapathon that’s easy, but where do remote mappers go? >>>>> >>>>> m. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Aug 2015, at 19:00, David Toy <d...@vidtoy.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jarmo. Welcome! >>>>>> >>>>>> My introduction/onboarding to HOT was almost identical to Jarmo's - >>>>>> and I can relate very clearly to all the points he has raised. I suspect >>>>>> that there are a few more lurkers on this list who will be similar. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pierre G's document suggests renaming the 'mark as done' button to >>>>>> 'submit for review'. >>>>>> >>>>>> A simplification of terms / altered workflow would have helped me >>>>>> initially. Taking the example of the done button, 'submit for review' >>>>>> implies that: >>>>>> - a) it's ok to make a mistake getting started - someone will catch >>>>>> it, and >>>>>> - b) I should expect feedback >>>>>> >>>>>> This helps with Jarmo's first and second scenarios, but also softens >>>>>> the blow when (your first) task is coldly invalidated with only four >>>>>> words of explanation. (Validators: that's not a criticism - I >>>>>> understand the time pressure.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, not all users will read the docs - while training resources are >>>>>> useful, these little nudges of understanding help all users - even the >>>>>> new >>>>>> ones who enthusiastically started but didn't read the instructions. >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24 August 2015 at 17:18, Jarmo Kivekäs <jarmo.kive...@guttula.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been lurking on the mailing list for a while, but I'm still >>>>>> fairly new to HOT. I though I'd pitch in. >>>>>> >>>>>> I definitely recognized myself from Martin's write up as belonging to >>>>>> the set of contributors who commit changes but don't mark tiles as >>>>>> done. >>>>>> Below are some reasons why I've not marked tiles as complete in the >>>>>> past. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. I think part of the reason is that I started out mapping on my own >>>>>> (I haven't found a local community, nor was I introduced to mapping on >>>>>> a mapathon). Therefore I haven't been able to just quickly ask someone >>>>>> advice about something I'm unsure about. In these cases I've usually >>>>>> left a comment in the tasking manager about whatever I was unsure >>>>>> about, mapped the rest, but not marked the tile as done. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not marking the tile done is me being conservative, I guess. As a new >>>>>> mapper it is currently difficult to get feedback on the quality of >>>>>> your mapping, you pretty much needs to actively seek it out. Getting >>>>>> notifications when there are new comments on tiles you've worked on >>>>>> would be nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. When parts of a region are already mapped (probably form before the >>>>>> activation was created) but the tiles that are already mapped are not >>>>>> marked as done. I'm reluctant to mark a grid as done without making >>>>>> any changes to it, even if it seemingly fills all the criterion for >>>>>> the task. Especially when the grid has been locked my multiple users >>>>>> in the past. "They didn't think it was as done, I'm probably missing >>>>>> something." I realize that this thinking only propagates the problem, >>>>>> since I'll just be one more user on the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Grids can be pretty large. Sometimes you just don't manage to map >>>>>> it completely in a short sitting. I know grids can be split, but... >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Sometimes I'll for example only be mapping roads. Doing this will >>>>>> result in many tiles being checked out and changesets are generated, >>>>>> but no tiles are actually being finished. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Jarmo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24.08.2015 16:37, Martin Dittus wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 24 Aug 2015, at 11:22, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd also like to see a third option on the tasking manger "I've done >>>>>>>> some work but not completed the tile could someone review it please." >>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>> rather catch errors early and some new mappers may not feel confident >>>>>>>> enough >>>>>>>> to mark a tile complete. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Considering better workflows for “incomplete” submissions is well >>>>>>> worthwhile. This week I found that about half of all HOT contributors >>>>>>> never >>>>>>> mark their first task as “done” although they contributed edits to the >>>>>>> map. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ve written it up here, with stats and a brief discussion: >>>>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/35649 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> m. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> HOT mailing list >>>>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> HOT mailing list >>>>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> HOT mailing list >>>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> HOT mailing list >>>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> HOT mailing list >>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- | Pierre GIRAUD ------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
