Hi Jarmo. Welcome! My introduction/onboarding to HOT was almost identical to Jarmo's - and I can relate very clearly to all the points he has raised. I suspect that there are a few more lurkers on this list who will be similar.
Pierre G's document suggests renaming the 'mark as done' button to 'submit for review'. A simplification of terms / altered workflow would have helped me initially. Taking the example of the done button, 'submit for review' implies that: - a) it's ok to make a mistake getting started - someone will catch it, and - b) I should expect feedback This helps with Jarmo's first and second scenarios, but also softens the blow when (your first) task is coldly invalidated with only four words of explanation. (Validators: that's not a criticism - I understand the time pressure.) Also, not all users will read the docs - while training resources are useful, these little nudges of understanding help all users - even the new ones who enthusiastically started but didn't read the instructions. David On 24 August 2015 at 17:18, Jarmo Kivekäs <jarmo.kive...@guttula.com> wrote: > Hi! > > I've been lurking on the mailing list for a while, but I'm still fairly > new to HOT. I though I'd pitch in. > > I definitely recognized myself from Martin's write up as belonging to > the set of contributors who commit changes but don't mark tiles as done. > Below are some reasons why I've not marked tiles as complete in the past. > > 1. I think part of the reason is that I started out mapping on my own (I > haven't found a local community, nor was I introduced to mapping on a > mapathon). Therefore I haven't been able to just quickly ask someone > advice about something I'm unsure about. In these cases I've usually > left a comment in the tasking manager about whatever I was unsure about, > mapped the rest, but not marked the tile as done. > > Not marking the tile done is me being conservative, I guess. As a new > mapper it is currently difficult to get feedback on the quality of your > mapping, you pretty much needs to actively seek it out. Getting > notifications when there are new comments on tiles you've worked on > would be nice. > > 2. When parts of a region are already mapped (probably form before the > activation was created) but the tiles that are already mapped are not > marked as done. I'm reluctant to mark a grid as done without making any > changes to it, even if it seemingly fills all the criterion for the > task. Especially when the grid has been locked my multiple users in the > past. "They didn't think it was as done, I'm probably missing > something." I realize that this thinking only propagates the problem, > since I'll just be one more user on the list. > > 3. Grids can be pretty large. Sometimes you just don't manage to map it > completely in a short sitting. I know grids can be split, but... > > 4. Sometimes I'll for example only be mapping roads. Doing this will > result in many tiles being checked out and changesets are generated, but > no tiles are actually being finished. > > > -- Jarmo > > > On 24.08.2015 16:37, Martin Dittus wrote: > > > >> On 24 Aug 2015, at 11:22, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I'd also like to see a third option on the tasking manger "I've done > some work but not completed the tile could someone review it please." I'd > rather catch errors early and some new mappers may not feel confident > enough to mark a tile complete. > > > > Considering better workflows for “incomplete” submissions is well > worthwhile. This week I found that about half of all HOT contributors never > mark their first task as “done” although they contributed edits to the map. > > > > I’ve written it up here, with stats and a brief discussion: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/35649 > > > > m. > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >
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