I think earlier in this thread someone made a joke about an Adobe product called Zanzabar. (Zanzibar).
On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 8:32 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > What’s Zanzabar? None of my Google-Fu could return anything that would > imply anything related to ColdFusion… > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Aaron Rouse > *Sent:* Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:13 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [houcfug] Coldfusion DEAD Question > > > > Three sides to everything and usually some mesh of all three is the real > story. > > > > That is a very surprising number, 8000, but probably surprising to me > because in my circle of contacts in the CF world everyone I know is > purchasing licenses through through company that is then used for different > clients. One particular contact up in NJ I would imagine has purchased > upwards of a dozen licenses in the past 12 months, I know at least half > would be for new clients of his. > > > > I think the lack of communication or poor communication methods is a real > thorn in the language side for established customers. I can't even > remember the last time we had someone come out to us "selling" ColdFusion > to us, been years, maybe even dates back to when Forta was the mouth > piece. Of course that all is back when other companies such as New Atlanta > also sent out people, I recall meeting a certain Charlie one time and > pretty certain my previous manager met that guy too for a different set of > CF servers. > > > > Now I need to go read up on the latest version of Zanzabar now that it is > open source and out of Adobe's reach. > > > > -- > > Admiral Aaron Rouse > > > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, charlie arehart < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I know it seems I’m always the apologist for Adobe. It’s just that since I > work with hundreds of clients each year (in my CF troubleshooting > consulting), and new ones every week, as well as with my ongoing > involvement in the CF community, I have a perhaps different perspective > than most who may focus either only on what they get to see/hear, or what > their circle of associates may get to see/hear/say. > > So about the question of whether Adobe’s report of increased “adoption” > can be trusted, well first, Aaron, I would point out that this sort of news > was first presented in a comment by Rakshith, on the post when CF came out, > where he said that they sell about 8000 new CF licenses per year. People > naturally raised the question of, are these upgrades? Subscriptions? Etc. > And he clarified that no, this was new clients who had not purchased CF > before: > > “*New customers in this context are entities or organizations that have > never bought ColdFusion from us in the past. Each such customer has bought > one or more units of Standard or Enterprise. 8000 new customers will mean > more than 8000 new units purchased.*” > > http://blogs.coldfusion.com/announcing-the-launch-of-the- > newest-version-of-coldfusion-adobe-coldfusion-2016-release/#comment-6180 > > For context, the two comments before from him were: > > http://blogs.coldfusion.com/announcing-the-launch-of-the- > newest-version-of-coldfusion-adobe-coldfusion-2016-release/#comment-6101 > and > http://blogs.coldfusion.com/announcing-the-launch-of-the- > newest-version-of-coldfusion-adobe-coldfusion-2016-release/#comment-6178 > > > Why we have to dig through the comments to find this out, versus seeing a > post on it, is indeed another facet of the communications challenges that > you go on to share, Aaron. I don’t deny those. I just do what I can to > share what I can when I see discussions like this, and don’t see others > mentioning these more positive aspects. Like politics and cultre today, > it’s SO easy to focus only on what’s wrong, as well as for echo chambers to > appear where only one side of a story is ever told. I see that a LOT in the > CF community. > > And I see the other comments here in the thread, and I will have a couple > more thoughts those. As always, just trying to help, in broadening the > discussion. Especially since some people are indeed making critical > business decisions based on such discussions. > > /charlie > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Aaron Rouse > *Sent:* Thursday, August 3, 2017 09:09 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [houcfug] Coldfusion DEAD Question > > > > I wonder how they judge an adoption percentage. Since 2012 due to a > couple of things(mainly us mothballing old Windows operating systems but > also some internal changes that require us to go to newer versions of Java > and in turn CF more times than not) I personally have signed off on at > least half a dozen if not a dozen CF license purchases. These were not > upgrades to new versions of CF, because the old versions we had running > were too old to qualify for an upgrade, so brand new purchases. Just seems > like a lot of factors that Adobe would know nothing about at play here, not > like they ever sent me a survey pre or post purchase to even try to gather > some data. > > > > One thing that always bugs me is Adobe's failure to really notify existing > customers of much to anything. As an example even though I have all those > licenses related to my primary work email account, I can't think of a > single notification about what John pointed out. I can recall some > notifications about the CF conference they have later this year as well as > ones about Adobe products we do not even use. Heck I had no idea CF2016 > came out until I got an email from the Adobe licensing site saying my > purchase was complete or some cryptic wording like that, I had to log in > and see what in the world were they notifying me about and THEN see it was > about new version of CF due to the many Platinum support packages we > maintain and I am a contact on those too. Some more communication sure > could go a long way here, the current level makes it feel like they have > zero interest in the product and just treat it as a cash cow until the cow > finally kills over and dies. > > > > -- > > Admiral Aaron Rouse > > > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:37 PM, charlie arehart < > [email protected]> wrote: > > And Gary, as for google results often being old ones, well, consider first > that some answers from back then may be as good now as then. Indeed, google > ranks a result based on (among many other things of course) how often > people open it and then don’t proceed to open another in the given search > result list. They figure if people don’t go to another, it must be > authoritative (or at least adequate). > > Sadly that does mean that sometimes old, stinky answers do remain popular, > despite being outdated. This is of course not unique to CF, but it adds to > the situation you observed. > > And not taking away from Billy’s reasonable observations, there is a lot > more positive about CF than you usually hear. As John pointed out, this > whole week Adobe is giving several webinars on various facets of CF2016. > The recording will be posted likely next week. > > And the first one was an overview by the Product Manager, Rakshith, where > he both addressed your very concerns, and also highlighted recent > improvements, and touted what’s planned for CF2018. > > But he also pointed out a point that few seem to realize: that CF adoption > has grown by 20% on average between 2012 and 2017. That is an > acknowledgement that while of course some have left CF (for all the > aforementioned reasons in this thread and others, some justified and some > perhaps misinformed/chicken little), clearly more have ADOPTED CF than have > left it. > > You don’t hear that ever that sort of positive observation in any of the > long-winded discussions which inevitably arise when this question is > debated, which as Steve noted has sincerely been going on since the early > 200’s. It’s great when there can be a reasoned discussion, as is happening > here. It’s just too bad that it often happens elsewhere with only > overwhelming negativity from those who either have left or feel compelled > to persuade all listeners that “any thinking person” should. > > There are indeed more affirming points, like the Adobe CF Summit > conference in Nov which grows in size each year. But there are surely > plenty of challenges. I’m just saying it’s not as bad as many/most seem to > want to make it out to be. > > BTW, as for the jobs issue I addressed that, pointing to resources > offering hundreds of them (still today), in a recent post: > > http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2007/3/11/ > FInding-ColdFusion-Jobs > > /charlie > > > > -- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston > ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. > To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston > ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. > To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected] > For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > *Confidentiality Notice:* > > The information contained in this email and any attachments is intended > only for the recipient[s] listed above and may be privileged and > confidential. 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