What’s Zanzabar? None of my Google-Fu could return anything that would imply anything related to ColdFusion…
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouse Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [houcfug] Coldfusion DEAD Question Three sides to everything and usually some mesh of all three is the real story. That is a very surprising number, 8000, but probably surprising to me because in my circle of contacts in the CF world everyone I know is purchasing licenses through through company that is then used for different clients. One particular contact up in NJ I would imagine has purchased upwards of a dozen licenses in the past 12 months, I know at least half would be for new clients of his. I think the lack of communication or poor communication methods is a real thorn in the language side for established customers. I can't even remember the last time we had someone come out to us "selling" ColdFusion to us, been years, maybe even dates back to when Forta was the mouth piece. Of course that all is back when other companies such as New Atlanta also sent out people, I recall meeting a certain Charlie one time and pretty certain my previous manager met that guy too for a different set of CF servers. Now I need to go read up on the latest version of Zanzabar now that it is open source and out of Adobe's reach. -- Admiral Aaron Rouse On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, charlie arehart <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I know it seems I’m always the apologist for Adobe. It’s just that since I work with hundreds of clients each year (in my CF troubleshooting consulting), and new ones every week, as well as with my ongoing involvement in the CF community, I have a perhaps different perspective than most who may focus either only on what they get to see/hear, or what their circle of associates may get to see/hear/say. So about the question of whether Adobe’s report of increased “adoption” can be trusted, well first, Aaron, I would point out that this sort of news was first presented in a comment by Rakshith, on the post when CF came out, where he said that they sell about 8000 new CF licenses per year. People naturally raised the question of, are these upgrades? Subscriptions? Etc. And he clarified that no, this was new clients who had not purchased CF before: “New customers in this context are entities or organizations that have never bought ColdFusion from us in the past. Each such customer has bought one or more units of Standard or Enterprise. 8000 new customers will mean more than 8000 new units purchased.” http://blogs.coldfusion.com/announcing-the-launch-of-the-newest-version-of-coldfusion-adobe-coldfusion-2016-release/#comment-6180 For context, the two comments before from him were: http://blogs.coldfusion.com/announcing-the-launch-of-the-newest-version-of-coldfusion-adobe-coldfusion-2016-release/#comment-6101 and http://blogs.coldfusion.com/announcing-the-launch-of-the-newest-version-of-coldfusion-adobe-coldfusion-2016-release/#comment-6178 Why we have to dig through the comments to find this out, versus seeing a post on it, is indeed another facet of the communications challenges that you go on to share, Aaron. I don’t deny those. I just do what I can to share what I can when I see discussions like this, and don’t see others mentioning these more positive aspects. Like politics and cultre today, it’s SO easy to focus only on what’s wrong, as well as for echo chambers to appear where only one side of a story is ever told. I see that a LOT in the CF community. And I see the other comments here in the thread, and I will have a couple more thoughts those. As always, just trying to help, in broadening the discussion. Especially since some people are indeed making critical business decisions based on such discussions. /charlie From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Aaron Rouse Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 09:09 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [houcfug] Coldfusion DEAD Question I wonder how they judge an adoption percentage. Since 2012 due to a couple of things(mainly us mothballing old Windows operating systems but also some internal changes that require us to go to newer versions of Java and in turn CF more times than not) I personally have signed off on at least half a dozen if not a dozen CF license purchases. These were not upgrades to new versions of CF, because the old versions we had running were too old to qualify for an upgrade, so brand new purchases. Just seems like a lot of factors that Adobe would know nothing about at play here, not like they ever sent me a survey pre or post purchase to even try to gather some data. One thing that always bugs me is Adobe's failure to really notify existing customers of much to anything. As an example even though I have all those licenses related to my primary work email account, I can't think of a single notification about what John pointed out. I can recall some notifications about the CF conference they have later this year as well as ones about Adobe products we do not even use. Heck I had no idea CF2016 came out until I got an email from the Adobe licensing site saying my purchase was complete or some cryptic wording like that, I had to log in and see what in the world were they notifying me about and THEN see it was about new version of CF due to the many Platinum support packages we maintain and I am a contact on those too. Some more communication sure could go a long way here, the current level makes it feel like they have zero interest in the product and just treat it as a cash cow until the cow finally kills over and dies. -- Admiral Aaron Rouse On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 12:37 PM, charlie arehart <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: And Gary, as for google results often being old ones, well, consider first that some answers from back then may be as good now as then. Indeed, google ranks a result based on (among many other things of course) how often people open it and then don’t proceed to open another in the given search result list. They figure if people don’t go to another, it must be authoritative (or at least adequate). Sadly that does mean that sometimes old, stinky answers do remain popular, despite being outdated. This is of course not unique to CF, but it adds to the situation you observed. And not taking away from Billy’s reasonable observations, there is a lot more positive about CF than you usually hear. As John pointed out, this whole week Adobe is giving several webinars on various facets of CF2016. The recording will be posted likely next week. And the first one was an overview by the Product Manager, Rakshith, where he both addressed your very concerns, and also highlighted recent improvements, and touted what’s planned for CF2018. But he also pointed out a point that few seem to realize: that CF adoption has grown by 20% on average between 2012 and 2017. That is an acknowledgement that while of course some have left CF (for all the aforementioned reasons in this thread and others, some justified and some perhaps misinformed/chicken little), clearly more have ADOPTED CF than have left it. You don’t hear that ever that sort of positive observation in any of the long-winded discussions which inevitably arise when this question is debated, which as Steve noted has sincerely been going on since the early 200’s. It’s great when there can be a reasoned discussion, as is happening here. It’s just too bad that it often happens elsewhere with only overwhelming negativity from those who either have left or feel compelled to persuade all listeners that “any thinking person” should. There are indeed more affirming points, like the Adobe CF Summit conference in Nov which grows in size each year. But there are surely plenty of challenges. I’m just saying it’s not as bad as many/most seem to want to make it out to be. BTW, as for the jobs issue I addressed that, pointing to resources offering hundreds of them (still today), in a recent post: http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2007/3/11/FInding-ColdFusion-Jobs /charlie -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" discussion list. To unsubscribe, send email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> For more options, visit http://groups.google.com/group/houcfug?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Houston ColdFusion Users' Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. 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