I have a few questions about the syndication policy. Hopefully I am not over complicating the issue.
Question 1 - What would it take to get the Linux Inlaws into compliance with the HPR syndication policy? The biggest issue I see is the separate Linux inlaws feed with unpublished HPR episodes. What if they replaced their feed (https://linuxinlaws.eu/inlaws_rss.xml) with the HPR Series feed? Question 2 - Is a HPR host having a separate website to promote their HPR episodes OK? Question 3 - Many HPR episodes are audio versions of a web page previously published by the host. Does an audio version of an existing web page (Verbatim or summarized) meet the requirement of "material created exclusively for HPR"? On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 6:56 AM Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie> wrote: > Hi All, > > With permission, I am posting the email and my response to the Linux > Inlaws. > > Your comments are welcome > > Ken. > > On 16 Aug 2022, at 20:55, Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie> <k...@fallon.ie> > wrote: > > Hi Lads, > > As I think you are aware a discussion was carried out on the mail list[1] > following my request to clarify the nature of HPR. The community is of the > opinion that we are not a podcast hosting platform, and do not "host" > podcasts. All our series are considered to be episodes that are part of the > HPR podcast. This puts your show at odds with our rule: "only releasing > material created exclusively for HPR.[2]". As we have applied this rule a > lot in the past, we cannot make an exception here. So if you wish to > continue to post to HPR, then you need to ensure that your content is > produced exclusively for HPR. > > If you decide not to follow this path, then your future episodes will need > to be hosted elsewhere. As your content is Creative Commons, then the > Internet Archive would seem to be the logical place to host the shows. We > are obviously willing to assist with the transition. We can also add your > show to https://freeculturepodcasts.org/, which by default gets you > exposure at any of the Fests that our contributors attend. We can also send > out notices to the other people we know who maintain FLOSS podcast lists. > Given a lot of people are subscribing to your series RSS feed > (?series=111), we can hard code a redirect to > https://linuxinlaws.eu/inlaws_rss.xml, and that way you don't lose any > dedicated subscribers. We will also be sure to remind people to add your > feed in the upcoming community news. > > I know this is not great news for you, and I am not enjoying being the > messenger. > OK well tell me what you decide and as always you can bypass us and bring > this up on the mailing list[1], or you can contact the smaller group of > Auditors (audit...@hackerpublicradio.org) to discuss it with them in > private. > > [1] > http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2022-August/015343.html > [2] https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication > > > On 2022-08-17 11:15, Linuxinlaws wrote: > > Hi Ken, > > We certainly followed the discussion on the mailing list - with growing > disbelief tbh - and as yet have not commented. As LinuxInlaws we applaud > the democratic approach by listening to the community. At the same time we > have to ask ourselves, can a handful of people commenting on a mailing be > considered the whole community? As you well know, the silent majority tend > not to comment on mailing lists. > > That being said, we also need to look at the actual arguments being made > “HPR is not a podcasting platform and doesn’t allow syndication”. We fully > agree and comply with this, as far as the LinuxInlaws are concerned, we are > a series on HPR - just like many others. To argue the case: > All our content is exclusively produced for and released on HPR > Yes, we have a website but the same can be said for many serial content > producers on HPR. Our website is supporting only and does not host and > recordings. > Our set-up and the way we publish material has been the same from the > start so why the sudden change of direction for HPR. > > We feel rather singled-out in this discussion and consider us no different > to other series producers on HPR. > > More than happy to discuss. We greatly appreciate HPR and would prefer to > remain a part of it. > > Martin and Chris. > > > My response to the points are as follows: > > *> "At the same time we have to ask ourselves, can a handful of people > commenting on a mailing be considered the whole community?"* > How we operate as a community is described here > https://hackerpublicradio.org/about.php#governance. These emails are also > brought to the attention of the entire community every first Monday of the > month in the Community News show. There the community in it's entirety can > and do provide comments. Any proposals on improvements are welcome. > > *> "Yes, we have a website but the same can be said for many serial > content producers on HPR."* > Please give me an example of a show or series on HPR that has it's own > intro and outro, operates it's own website, has it's own feed that posts > shows prior to them been aired on HPR. They will also qualify as syndicated > shows and will be treated according to the same rules. > https://hackerpublicradio.org/series.php > > *> "**Our set-up and the way we publish material has been the same from > the start*" > > We made you aware of the rule in the welcome email I send to new hosts: > > Are you planning on releasing exclusively on HPR or are you planning on > hosting your own podcast ? > > If the former then no problem. If you are planning your own show then > I'm posting one sample episode under the > ruleshttp://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication > > If you are doing your own show we will be happy to add your site and > feed to the http://freeculturepodcasts.org/ list. > > You did not answer the question in your response, and as you did not have > a website in operation at the time you were given the benefit of the doubt. > In the subsequent time there has been some disambiguity as to the > interpretation of what hosting and your relationship with HPR actually is. > *> "**so why the sudden change of direction for HPR.*" > > Because of your statement in "hpr3649 :: Linux Inlaws S01E61: 20 years in > review hosted by monochromec". > > > * "Chris: If we take a look at Archive.org. For the last one year and a > half we clock in on average between 1,500 and 2,500 listeners. Given the > fact that we have launched this podcast short of 2 and a half years ago, > that's quite amazing." * > > You therefore consider yourselves a podcast, and HPR to be a "*podcast > hosting platform depending on your perspective*" > https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658. > > > "*All our content is exclusively produced for and released on HPR*". > > And yet your website says "*All episodes are hosted on Hacker Public > Radio for now.*" > https://linuxinlaws.eu/#episodes > > > "*We feel rather singled-out in this discussion and consider us no > different to other series producers on HPR."* > > I am very sorry that you feel that way but you are not the first and won't > be the last podcast to have this rule applied. At the time we had to drop > three shows from the podcast and we have turned away more than 20 different > podcasts since then. > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2012-October/011545.html > > I can assure you that I would have preferred this to have been dealt with > at the beginning. > Ken. > _______________________________________________ > Hpr mailing list > Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org >
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