I think it should be possible to keep "Ho No News", by changing the way the news sites are referenced. If you have a look at how ThreatWire by Shannon Morse <https://snubsie.com/threatwire/> does it, you can see how she navigates this issues. She paraphrases articles and keeps direct quotes to an absolute minimum.

I'm not sure how much additional work this would be, so another approach might be to quote sites that have a CC compatible license. Many government run sites required threats to be logged publicly using an open license.

If people could help out by tracking down some of these resources for SGOTI that would help.

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Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon


On 2023-05-27 23:57, Kevin O'Brien wrote:
I'm a strong believer in the value of licenses like Creative Commons, and I take them seriously. If there is no way to continue the Oh No news without violating the license, then as much as I love it, I would vote to stop it. Is there absolutely no way of continuing it without a license violation, though? Could a simple change in the show bring it into compliance. As far as I am aware, you cannot copyright facts, and much of what SGOTI does in this show is to state that such-and-such happened. Where I would think a problem would arise is in direct quoting of someone else's copyrighted material, and even that can be a gray area if the source is cited and only a little bit is quoted. So my preference would be to look into how SGOTI can continue his show while being in legal compliance. But if that is not possible, then I reluctantly come down on the side of license compliance.

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On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 8:25 AM Ken Fallon <k...@fallon.ie> wrote:

    Hi All,

    Can you please respond to this policy change, as it stands this is
    something that we should not implement.

    Also please send in some shows this weekend as we're going to be
    moving to the static site soon and it would be great to have the
    queue full.

    Ken.


    On 2023-05-12 11:14, Ken Fallon wrote:

    Hi All,

    First , *w**e need shows immediately* as there is an empty queue
    next week, and the number of Emergency/Reserve shows are also
    dwindling. So please finish that show you were thinking of
    submitting and send it in. If you don't care when it's released
    please put "Use as Emergency show" in the show notes for now.

    ... hold music while you do that ...

    I am concerned about the future of HPR, as a project where the
    shows are produced by the community. At this rate we cease to be
    a bar camp style podcast and become one where the shows are
    provided by a rotating team of "regulars".

    Ideally we would like it so that every show is contributed by a
    different host, giving a 1:1 ratio between show and host. So far
    this year all but 4 of the submissions are from hosts who
    submitted more than one show, a 3:1 ratio. Ahuka aside, the
    majority are as a result of kindhearted hosts who contribute
    shows at the last minute to fill the vacant slots.

    To make this problem more visible I would like to introduce the
    following Scheduling Guideline "*No host should submit any more
    than one show in a two week period.*" Of course these are
    guidelines etc etc., but it should still allow prolific hosts to
    submit shows while not masking the underlying issue that we have
    yet to address.

    Which is: We need new hosts, but we also need old hosts who have
    not submitted shows this year to submit a show.

    How do we solve this problem ?

-- Regards,

    Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
    https://kenfallon.com
    https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
    ID
        Host
        Total
        
    159         HPR Volunteers  12
    198         Ahuka   9
    391         Some Guy On The Internet        8
    318         Archer72        7
    282         Mike Ray        5
    30  Ken Fallon      5
    326         Brian in Ohio   5
    36  operat0r        3
    365         Bookewyrmm      3
    225         Dave Morriss    3
    401         Mechatroniac    3
    415         enistello       2
    407         Celeste         2
    268         Andrew Conway   2
    152         Claudio Miranda         2
    293         Rho`n   2
    416         screwtape       2
    342         norrist         2
    238         Jon Kulp        2
    375         minnix  2
    201         MrX     2
    408         Stache_AF       1
    383         Paul Quirk      1
    209         David Whitman   1
    377         Zen_Floater2    1



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