Hi,

well, maybe someone else can help with the automated CPs finding, because I
really dont use it. I usually put them manually as I also has never liked
the automated results.

What I can see is that I have reduced the biggest CP distance to 14 doing a
"everything without translation" optimization. After looking to the CPs
table (the buttom beside the preview one) and listing CPs in order of
distance I looked at CP #1, which has the biggest distance. The image
really looks like having some little parallax problem, but I don't really
know how does it affects the auto CP finding. I usually also don't like CPs
over trees and sky, as they can move from one shoot to the other. I guess
there is a way to filter CPs in the sky (celeste) but don't know about
automatically remove them from trees.

I with we could have an option to specify regions where we would like CPs.
Maybe with this an automation would be easier. I am almost sure many people
do panoramas automatically. In my short experience, even when I generated
CPs automatically and used them, I had to manually remove some, so the
automation would not be possible. That's why I still do CPs manually.

After writing up to this point I decided to try another thing: remove the
CPs you added manually (20, 21, 22) and reset the project to execute the
optimization I usually do. I got better results, so, if you have obtained
the points 1-19 automatically then you can automate it :)

I usually do optimizations progressively. I first do a Position (y, p, r),
and after this I do a (y, p, r, v) and to finish I do an "everything
without translation". Doing this in your project gave me a max distance of
5 pixels and a good final image. I put the project attached.

Cheers,

Carlos E G Carvalho (Cartola)
http://cartola.org/360



2012/1/3 Gerhard Killesreiter <gerh...@killesreiter.de>

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> Am 03.01.2012 12:27, schrieb kfj:
> > On 3 Jan., 12:08, Gerhard Killesreiter <gerh...@killesreiter.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I've tried adding CPs manually but the matching process wasn't really
> >> working.
> >
> > Do you mean that you had difficulties placing the control points, or
> > that the optimizer failed to produce a useful result?
>
> The optimizer did add usefull CPs after some changing of parameters, but
> these are clustered in the mid-section of the images. In order to get a
> working pano I needed to add additional CPs in the foreground manually.
>
> The optimiser was usually not able to find the point I had added in the
> other image and I had to add it manually there too.
>
> After omtimizing the optimizer mostly complained that the distance was
> too big.
>
> I even got hugin to crash once...
>
> I was able to stitch in the end, but I don't think it worked out very well.
>
> I suspect that I may have a bit too much parallax error...
>
> It is possible that there's an issue with the exif data too, since my
> camera doesn't write the correct data.
>
> I then enter the data manually:
> Focal lenght: 6.75
> crop factor: 1.5
>
> (that mask could use some explanation which focal length is needed: the
> real one or the 35mm equivalent. I think it's the latter).
>
> >> My concern is that I either used the wrong technique to take the
> >> photos, my workflow is somehow wrong, or the lens has a defect.
> >
> > I suppose there's little you can do wrong taking the images, and I
> > also think a lens defect isn't very likely. Leaves your workflow ;-)
>
> Yeah, my suspicion too.
>
> >> Also, I really want to automate this as much as possible as I plan to
> >> take lots of panos.
> >
> > If you can put your images and PTO online somewhere, I'll have a look
> > if I can see what's going wrong.
>
> That'd be great! I'll send you a link in private.
>
> Note that the images are just test images, the idea is not to make a
> nice pano from them, the idea is to understand why I don't get CPs in
> the front automatically and what I can do to change that.
>
> In this case I have added the CPs 20-22 manually.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Gerhard
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