Interesting trawl -and chasing it, found this recent addition about modelling room resonances and acoustic gravity waves ?? http://scitation.aip.org/getpdf/servlet/GetPDFServlet?filetype=pdf&id=JASMAN000120000005003031000005&idtype=cvips&doi=null&prog=normal&bypassSSO=1On Apr 13, It seems quite a lot of work is going on, here and there, around 'our' topic. I'm not sure the direct relevance as this is theoretical, but many times in the past have we discussed nodes, standing waves etc- not so far fetched on this study.
1:48 am, Steve K <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll try to use a bit of networking to get to this. > > On Apr 10, 8:46 pm, dboots <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > John Thanks for posting these reference links It would seem that > > the group doesn't have a file category on the home page so unsure if > > link exists > > Any link(s) to that one report "Electromagnetic Investigation of > > the Taos Hum" that was released by Sandia in it's entirety???? Didn't > > anyone acquire that report by an FOIA???? I tried a google search > > but nothing > > seemed to pop up of a link to a pdf of the report I even tried > > Sandia's Electromagnetic page but ended up with a server error when I > > tried to search on that site > > > Albuquerque Operations reported to Mr. Long on June 29, 1995 that > > Sandia National Laboratory had provided one responsive record for each > > category. The first, the "Electromagnetic Test Report, Electromagnetic > > Investigation of the Taos Hum, Test Report, dated September 27, 1994," > > was released in its entirety. > > > On Apr 7, 11:09 pm, John Dawes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Here is the U.S. Department of Energy web page referring to the FOI > > > application of Greg Longhttp://www.oha.doe.gov/cases/foia/vfa0060.htm > > > > I have also found a letter dated November 22 1995 written by Sherry > > > Robinson, Public Affairs Department University of New Mexico which > > > states that a report by Taos Hum investigators Joe Mullins and Jim > > > Kelly will be published in the Acoustical Society Newsletter, however, > > > I have been unable to find this > > > > On Apr 6, 12:05 pm, John Dawes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I am sorry there is little that I can add to this. Some time ago I > > > > asked some American friends if they could find the results of part two > > > > of the Taos Investigation, They contacted the University of New Mexico > > > > and were informed that no information on the final investigation was > > > > available, funding had been withdrawn and the investigation was now > > > > closed. > > > > I also contacted the UK government pointing out the similarity between > > > > Hum sufferers in the USA and the UK asking if it would be possible for > > > > an exchange of information, I received no answer to this. > > > > I believe something important was discovered during the investigation > > > > but it will be difficult to find out exactly what this was. > > > > > On Apr 6, 10:27 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Is their any place on the web we can find this document that is > > > > > copied and pasted here??? Did Greg Long give up after these > > > > > denial's back in 1995? Has anyone else attempted to get the document > > > > > released using FOIA??? > > > > > > Not all FOIA's appeal's go to this length in explaining exactly > > > > > what the denial reasoning behind it is based on Thanks for posting > > > > > this, but is their a web link > > > > > to this document ??? > > > > > > On Apr 5, 1:37 am, John Dawes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Greg Long, Case No. VFA-0060, August 15, 1995 > > > > > > > Case No. VFA-0060, 25 DOE ¶ 80,129 > > > > > > August 15, 1995 > > > > > > DECISION AND ORDER > > > > > > OF THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY > > > > > > Appeal > > > > > > Name of Petitioner:Greg Long > > > > > > Date of Filing:July 14, 1995 > > > > > > Case Number: VFA-0060 > > > > > > On July 14, 1995, Greg Long of Philomath, Oregon filed an Appeal > > > > > > from a > > > > > > determination issued on June 29, 1995 by the Albuquerque > > > > > > Operations > > > > > > Office > > > > > > (Albuquerque Operations) of the Department of Energy (DOE). That > > > > > > determination > > > > > > denied in part Mr. Long's request for information submitted > > > > > > pursuant > > > > > > to the > > > > > > Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as implemented > > > > > > by > > > > > > the DOE > > > > > > in 10 C.F.R. Part 1004. This Appeal, if granted, would require the > > > > > > DOE to > > > > > > release the withheld information. > > > > > > The FOIA requires that agency records which are held by federal > > > > > > agencies, and > > > > > > which have not been made public in an authorized fashion by a > > > > > > covered branch > > > > > > of the federal government, generally be released to the public > > > > > > upon > > > > > > request. 5 > > > > > > U.S.C. § 552(a)(3). In addition to this requirement, the FOIA > > > > > > lists > > > > > > nine > > > > > > exemptions that set forth the types of information which may be > > > > > > withheld at > > > > > > the discretion of the agency. 5 U.S.C. § 5552(b)(1)-(b)(9). See > > > > > > also > > > > > > 10 C.F.R. > > > > > > § 1004. 10(b)(1)-(b)(9). The DOE regulations further provide that > > > > > > documents > > > > > > which may be exempt from mandatory disclosure will nonetheless be > > > > > > released to > > > > > > the public if the DOE determines that disclosure is not contrary > > > > > > to > > > > > > federal > > > > > > law and is in the public interest. 10 C.F.R. § 1004.1. > > > > > > I. Background > > > > > > In a letter dated March 23, 1995, Mr. Long filed a FOIA request > > > > > > with > > > > > > Albuquerque Operations seeking two related categories of > > > > > > information. The > > > > > > first category concerns the investigation of a mysterious and > > > > > > unexplained > > > > > > "hum" reported by many people in and around Taos, New Mexico. In > > > > > > particular, > > > > > > Mr. Long noted that Sandia National Laboratory had been involved > > > > > > in > > > > > > exploring > > > > > > this phenomenon starting in > > > > > > 1991. The second category asks for documents in which Sandia > > > > > > personnel > > > > > > explored similar "hums" elsewhere in New Mexico. > > > > > > Albuquerque Operations reported to Mr. Long on June 29, 1995 that > > > > > > Sandia > > > > > > National Laboratory had provided one responsive record for each > > > > > > category. The > > > > > > first, the "Electromagnetic Test Report, Electromagnetic > > > > > > Investigation of the > > > > > > Taos Hum, Test Report, dated September 27, 1994," was released in > > > > > > its > > > > > > entirety. The second document, a draft report on "other possible > > > > > > sources of > > > > > > the Taos 'Hum.'" was withheld in its entirety. Albuquerque > > > > > > Operations > > > > > > explained that the report was never finalized because funding for > > > > > > the project > > > > > > had been terminated. Accordingly, Albuquerque Operations withheld > > > > > > the document > > > > > > under the deliberative process privilege of Exemption 5 of the > > > > > > FOIA > > > > > > on the > > > > > > grounds that the document contained preliminary opinions and > > > > > > findings which > > > > > > were never finalized. 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(5); 10 C.F.R. § 1004.10(b) > > > > > > (5). > > > > > > Albuquerque Operations did provide Mr. Long with findings done by > > > > > > a > > > > > > team at > > > > > > the University of New Mexico who were working in conjunction with > > > > > > the Sandia > > > > > > National Laboratory team. Mr. Long has appealed the withholding of > > > > > > the draft > > > > > > report. > > > > > > II. Analysis > > > > > > Exemption 5 of the FOIA exempts from mandatory disclosure > > > > > > documents > > > > > > which are > > > > > > "[i]nter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would > > > > > > not be > > > > > > available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation > > > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > agency." 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(5); 10 C.F.R. § 1004.10(b)(5). The > > > > > > Supreme Court > > > > > > has held that this section exempts "those documents, and only > > > > > > those > > > > > > documents, > > > > > > normally privileged in the civil discovery context." National > > > > > > Labor > > > > > > Relations > > > > > > Bd. v. Sears, Roebuck & Co., 421 U.S. 132, 149 (1975). Among these > > > > > > privileges > > > > > > is the "executive" or "deliberative process" privilege. This is > > > > > > the > > > > > > privilege > > > > > > that Albuquerque Operations relied upon in withholding information > > > > > > in this > > > > > > case under Exemption 5. > > > > > > The "executive" privilege shields from mandatory disclosure > > > > > > documents, > > > > > > advisory in nature, which are created during agency consideration > > > > > > of > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > action, and which are part of the decision-making process. Coastal > > > > > > States Gas > > > > > > Corp. v. Department of Energy, 617 F.2d 854, 866 (D.C. Cir. 1980). > > > > > > Thus, > > > > > > application of the privilege "under (b)(5) depends not only on the > > > > > > intrinsic > > > > > > character of the document itself, but also on the role it played > > > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > administrative process." Lead Industries Assoc., Inc. v. > > > > > > Occupational Safety > > > > > > and Health Admin., 610 F.2d 70, 80 (2d Cir. 1979) (Lead > > > > > > Industries). > > > > > > As a result, to withhold an intra- or inter-agency document under > > > > > > the > > > > > > "executive" privilege of Exemption 5, it must be both > > > > > > predecisional, > > > > > > i.e., > > > > > > "antecedent to the adoption of agency policy," and deliberative, > > > > > > i.e., "it > > > > > > must actually be related to the process by which policies are > > > > > > formulated." > > > > > > Jordan v. Department of Justice, 591 F.2d 753, 773 (D.C. Cir. > > > > > > 1978). > > > > > > See also > > > > > > Assembly of California v. Department of Commerce, 968 F.2d 916, > > > > > > 920-21 (9th > > > > > > Cir. 1992); Formaldehyde Inst. v. Department of Health and Human > > > > > > Services, 889 > > > > > > F.2d 1118, 1122 (D.C. Cir. 1989). That is to say, a document must > > > > > > not only be > > > > > > prepared as part of agency consideration of some matter, it must > > > > > > also "bear on > > > > > > the formulation or exercise of policy-oriented judgment." Ethyl > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hum Sufferers" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hum-sufferers?hl=en.
