Pak dan Bu, Masalahnya sekarang bukan hanya akses data saja. Kita di Migas kalau membeli data harus melalui badan yang ditunjuk oleh MIGAS, yaitu Patra Nusa Data. Tetapi yang sering terjadi adalah, data yang kita tahu ada malah tidak available. Lhaaa...ndilalah ada yang di luar yang jual, tapi kalau dibeli ngga cost recovery. Tapi kalau ndak dibeli, datanya perlu untuk evaluasi blok. Kita mau membeli data dengan halal yang menjadi hak kita saja, pemerintah kesulitan. Sementara entah dari mana orang2 lain mempunyai data2 yang kita butuhkan tersebut. *bingung*
Parvita -----Original Message----- From: RM Iman Argakoesoemah [mailto:iman.argakoesoe...@medcoenergi.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:15 PM To: iagi-net@iagi.or.id; geologi...@googlegroups.com; Forum HAGI Subject: RE: [iagi-net-l] Re: Subject: IHS Geologist detained and tortured by China's state security agents Kalau data itu diakses lewat website mestinya diperbolehkan asalkan data tersebut bisa diakses oleh siapapun. NKRI itu lokasinya di "luar" web, karena web loaksinya bisa dimanapun. Thanks. Iman -----Original Message----- From: Rovicky Dwi Putrohari [mailto:rovi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:20 AM To: geologi...@googlegroups.com; IAGI; Forum HAGI Subject: [iagi-net-l] Re: Subject: IHS Geologist detained and tortured by China's state security agents Aturan ttg data security confidentialty sensitivity itu dinamis banget. Dulu foto udara itu susah dipeoleh dan aturannya rumit. Tapi skrg kita bisa ngintip dari GoogleEarth. Bahkan bisa liat samp virtual jalan jalan. Seolah lah kita jalan disana. Dulu pernah ada yg masuk penjara juga karena menjual fotoudara. Kerahasiaan data itu didfinisikan oleh pemerintah. Termasuk pemerintah Cina. Di Indonesia relatif "terbuka" utk data dasar. Lokasi sumur merupakan satu data rahasia yg di Indonesia termasuk data terbuka bebas ejak awal. Namun bisa juga lokasi ini secara khusus terpisah dirahasiakan. Banyak sumur2 petronas di MY tidak tercantum di IHS. PND menyediakan basic data juga diwebnya. Misal line seismic. Dapat diakses di web. Nah yg rumit sekarang adalah data dijital. Secara general data TIDAK BOLEH KELUAR NKRI. Tapi kalau diakses lewat web apa termasuk kategori 'keluar NKRI' ? Petronas (PMU) memiliki divisi atau bagian khusus yang tugasnya mengaudit data ("data auditor"). Memeriksa server-server perusahaan migas yg beroperasi di MY. Memeriksa apakah perolehan data itu legal atau tidak. Saya tidak tahu apakah Pusdatin (BPMIGAS) juga memiliki bagian ini. Di Indonesia kepemilikan data masih dikuasai negara. Anda (perusahaan) hanya memegang lisensi penggunaan dengan waktu tertentu, 1 atau 2 tahun saja. Andapun (perusahaan) dapat memperoleh data dari mana saja, termasuk 'black market'. Tapi pengunaan data ini harus memenuhi legalitasnya. Disitulah jebakan utk menjerat pembocor dan pengguna data haram. "Pak Awang" (BPMIGAS) dapat menanyakan penggunaan data sumur ini sewaktu rapat WPnB. Dan dapat menanyakan liseni dan legalitasnya. :) Rdp On 07/07/2010, khozin.sahudi <khoz...@gmail.com> wrote: > Bukannyaa atura tentang data Geologi/data Migas kan wis tirik-2 ono aturanr > neng MIGAS, yen kabeh manut aturane/ konsekuen, wis ono aturan-2e dg segasla > opsi ( if), nggih mboten pak BK? / mas Naryanto? Utawi Mas Harjono?, monggo > kulo aturi paring ular-2/ pitedah dumateng kito-2 sedoyo!. Monggooooo..... > > > > From: geologi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:geologi...@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Ismail Zaini > Sent: 11 Juli 2010 20:31 > To: geologi...@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [Geologi UGM] Subject: IHS Geologist detained and tortured by > China's state security agents > > > > Lha sakjane matuke piye tetang data ( migas ) ini , dikapakno enake , opo > dibebaske wae .... apa dg aturan yang ada ttg data ( sesuai UU / PP / > Kepmen ) yg ada ini sudah cukup bagus , atau piye, Kan aturan iku dibuat > pada kondisi dan situasi waktu itu dadi nek pancen untuk lebih baik lagi > sesuai dg kondisi yang terjadi sekarang ini , kan iso di revisi.... > > > > > > ISM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Mengingatkan saja. > > Yang menentukan sensitivitas data negara itu pemerintah. Saat ini penggunaan > data di Indonesia, baik data sumur seismic dan data-data migas diatur oleh > peraturan tersendiri. Setiap perusahaan bisa saja "memiliki" data-data itu > diserver masing-masing. Tetapi penggunaan data itu berdasarkan atas lisensi > yang harus diperoleh secara resmi. > > Indonesia sepertinya tidak berpikir bagaimana anda (perusahaan) > memperolehnya, bisa saja lewat black market. Tetapi ketika anda (perusahaan) > ketahuan secara legal tidak memiliki ijin (lisensi) penggunaannya disitu > awal bencana. Disitulah anda (perusahaan) akan dijerat !! > > The national data security and sensitivity will be defined by government, > not you ! > > RDP > > Subject: IHS Geologist detained and tortured by China's state security > agents > > Chinese court sentences US geologist to 8 years > By CHARLES HUTZLER > Associated Press Writer > > > > BEIJING (AP) - An American geologist detained and tortured by China's state > security agents over an oil industry database was jailed for eight years > Monday in a troubling example of China's rough justice system and the way > the U.S. government handles cases against its citizens. Beijing's No. 1 > Intermediate People's Court convicted Xue Feng of collecting intelligence > and illegally providing state secrets and immediately sentenced him. > > Xue's lawyer Tong Wei described the sentence as "very heavy", just short of > the maximum 10 years, and said he would confer with Xue over whether to > appeal. Xue was also fined 200,000 yuan ($30,000). The U.S. Ambassador to > China, Jon Huntsman, witnessed the sentencing in a show of high-level U.S. > government concern about the case. Afterward, the U.S. Embassy released a > statement saying it was dismayed and urged China to grant Xue "humanitarian > release and immediately deport him." > > For Xue, the verdict comes more than six months since the last court hearing > and two and a half years after he was detained - a protracted prosecution > and pretrial detention that Chinese officials never explained. Born in > China and trained at the University of Chicago, Xue ran afoul of the > authorities for arranging the sale of a detailed commercial database on > China's oil industry to IHS Energy, the energy consulting firm he worked for > that is now known as IHS Inc. and based in Colorado. > > Sentenced along with Xue were three Chinese nationals convicted of being > accomplices. Li Yongbo, a manager at Beijing Licheng Zhongyou Oil Technology > Development Co., was sentenced to eight years and fined 200,000 yuan > ($30,000) while Chen Mengjin and Li Dongxu, who worked for research > institutes affiliated with state-owned PetroChina Co. were each given > two-and-a-half-year sentences and fined 50,000 yuan ($7,500). > > The case has been seen as a troubling complex of the pitfalls of Chinese > justice, especially for successful native Chinese who go abroad for > education and work, acquire foreign citizenship and then return to China for > work. "This is a very harsh sentence. It's a very sad day for justice in > China," said John Kamm, an American human rights campaigner whom the State > Department turned to for help last year to lobby for Xue's release. "It's a > huge disappointment and will send very real shivers up the spines of > businesses that do business in China." he said. > > Xue's case came to trial just as another China-born foreign national, > Australian Stern Hu, was detained amid tense negotiations on iron ore sales > between his employer, global mining colossus Rio Tinto, and Chinese state > companies. Both Xue and Hu were charged on vague state secrets charges. But > unlike Xue, Hu's arrest received immediate publicity from the Australian > government and media. He is not known to have been mistreated and was > brought to trial quickly, sentenced in March to 10 years for bribery and > infringing trade secrets. > > By contrast, Xue languished in detention. His disappearance in 2007 and > arrest did not become public for two years until reported by The Associated > Press last November. During the early weeks of his detention, state security > agents tortured Xue, stubbing lit cigarettes into his arms and hitting him > on the head with an ashtray. Later allowed visits by U.S. consular > officers, Xue told them he wanted his case made public. However, his wife, > who lives in Texas, disagreed, believing that quiet lobbying might be more > effective and fearing that the publicity would trouble their two children > and possibly jeopardize her relatives still living in China. Amid their > disagreement, the U.S. State Department pursued back-channel diplomacy. > > Meanwhile, the case was batted between the court and prosecutors. All told, > he appeared three times in court before Monday's hearing, the first in July > a year ago and the last in December. The court then repeatedly postponed > sentencing. Legal experts said the delays in issuing a verdict exceeded > legal time limits; Xue's lawyer said a decision should have come in March at > the latest. > > The lapses illustrate a growing willingness by the authoritarian government > to ignore laws to suit political interests. "There's an increasing number > of cases where there's no legal fig leaf," Jerome Cohen, a venerable China > law expert at New York University who has advised Xue's wife, said in an > interview before the verdict. > > Aside from Xue, Cohen ticks off other instances of detentions without legal > basis, among them Gao Zhisheng, a crusading rights lawyer disappeared by > authorities repeatedly, and Zheng Enchong, a lawyer who spent three years in > prison after revealing a corrupt land deal and is now in the fifth year of > house arrest that has little legal basis. "These are increasingly apparent, > visible signs of lawlessness," said Cohen. > > Chinese officials have wide authority to define state secrets, and the > latitude makes it difficult for foreigners and Chinese alike to know when > they are crossing the line. Draft regulations released by the government in > April defines the business secrets of major state-run companies as state > secrets. In Xue's case, the database had been prepared by a Chinese company > and contained detailed information on the state of the Chinese oil industry, > which is predominantly state-controlled. > > Chinese law enforcement never identified the prison where Xue was being > held, neither to embassy officials in Beijing nor his lawyer, the only > outsiders Xue was allowed to see. While the physical abuse of his early > detention stopped, Xue was still subject to indignities: The U.S. Embassy > said as of last week it had delivered 20-some books for Xue but prison > authorities only allowed him a few. > > Trying to get Xue's case unstuck and underscore U.S. government interest, > Huntsman or the embassy's No. 2 have personally met with Xue every month > since late last year on the single monthly meeting consular officials are > allowed under a Chinese-U.S. agreement. > > During last month's visit, Huntsman waited an hour for Xue at the No. 1 > Intermediate People's Court, where the monthly meetings are held. The judge > stopped by to apologize, saying Xue was delayed by traffic, but he refused > to discuss the case, according to the U.S. Embassy. 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