Kalau data dasar (well log atau seismic etc) bisa "diputihkan" lisensinya di PND. Tapi pembeliannya di "black market" kayaknya ga bisa di CR.
On 07/07/2010, Parvita Siregar <parvita.sire...@salamander-energy.com> wrote: > Pak dan Bu, > > Masalahnya sekarang bukan hanya akses data saja. > Kita di Migas kalau membeli data harus melalui badan yang ditunjuk oleh > MIGAS, yaitu Patra Nusa Data. Tetapi yang sering terjadi adalah, data > yang kita tahu ada malah tidak available. Lhaaa...ndilalah ada yang di > luar yang jual, tapi kalau dibeli ngga cost recovery. Tapi kalau ndak > dibeli, datanya perlu untuk evaluasi blok. Kita mau membeli data dengan > halal yang menjadi hak kita saja, pemerintah kesulitan. Sementara entah > dari mana orang2 lain mempunyai data2 yang kita butuhkan tersebut. > *bingung* > > > > Parvita > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: RM Iman Argakoesoemah [mailto:iman.argakoesoe...@medcoenergi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:15 PM > To: iagi-net@iagi.or.id; geologi...@googlegroups.com; Forum HAGI > Subject: RE: [iagi-net-l] Re: Subject: IHS Geologist detained and > tortured by China's state security agents > > Kalau data itu diakses lewat website mestinya diperbolehkan asalkan data > tersebut bisa diakses oleh siapapun. NKRI itu lokasinya di "luar" web, > karena web loaksinya bisa dimanapun. > > Thanks. Iman > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rovicky Dwi Putrohari [mailto:rovi...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:20 AM > To: geologi...@googlegroups.com; IAGI; Forum HAGI > Subject: [iagi-net-l] Re: Subject: IHS Geologist detained and tortured > by China's state security agents > > Aturan ttg data security confidentialty sensitivity itu dinamis > banget. Dulu foto udara itu susah dipeoleh dan aturannya rumit. Tapi > skrg kita bisa ngintip dari GoogleEarth. Bahkan bisa liat samp virtual > jalan jalan. Seolah lah kita jalan disana. > Dulu pernah ada yg masuk penjara juga karena menjual fotoudara. > Kerahasiaan data itu didfinisikan oleh pemerintah. Termasuk pemerintah > Cina. Di Indonesia relatif "terbuka" utk data dasar. Lokasi sumur > merupakan satu data rahasia yg di Indonesia termasuk data terbuka > bebas ejak awal. Namun bisa juga lokasi ini secara khusus terpisah > dirahasiakan. Banyak sumur2 petronas di MY tidak tercantum di IHS. > PND menyediakan basic data juga diwebnya. Misal line seismic. Dapat > diakses di web. > > Nah yg rumit sekarang adalah data dijital. Secara general data TIDAK > BOLEH KELUAR NKRI. Tapi kalau diakses lewat web apa termasuk kategori > 'keluar NKRI' ? > > Petronas (PMU) memiliki divisi atau bagian khusus yang tugasnya > mengaudit data ("data auditor"). Memeriksa server-server perusahaan > migas yg beroperasi di MY. Memeriksa apakah perolehan data itu legal > atau tidak. Saya tidak tahu apakah Pusdatin (BPMIGAS) juga memiliki > bagian ini. > > Di Indonesia kepemilikan data masih dikuasai negara. Anda (perusahaan) > hanya memegang lisensi penggunaan dengan waktu tertentu, 1 atau 2 > tahun saja. > > Andapun (perusahaan) dapat memperoleh data dari mana saja, termasuk > 'black market'. Tapi pengunaan data ini harus memenuhi legalitasnya. > Disitulah jebakan utk menjerat pembocor dan pengguna data haram. > > "Pak Awang" (BPMIGAS) dapat menanyakan penggunaan data sumur ini > sewaktu rapat WPnB. Dan dapat menanyakan liseni dan legalitasnya. :) > > Rdp > > On 07/07/2010, khozin.sahudi <khoz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Bukannyaa atura tentang data Geologi/data Migas kan wis tirik-2 ono > aturanr >> neng MIGAS, yen kabeh manut aturane/ konsekuen, wis ono aturan-2e dg > segasla >> opsi ( if), nggih mboten pak BK? / mas Naryanto? Utawi Mas Harjono?, > monggo >> kulo aturi paring ular-2/ pitedah dumateng kito-2 sedoyo!. > Monggooooo..... >> >> >> >> From: geologi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:geologi...@googlegroups.com] > On >> Behalf Of Ismail Zaini >> Sent: 11 Juli 2010 20:31 >> To: geologi...@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Geologi UGM] Subject: IHS Geologist detained and > tortured by >> China's state security agents >> >> >> >> Lha sakjane matuke piye tetang data ( migas ) ini , dikapakno enake , > opo >> dibebaske wae .... apa dg aturan yang ada ttg data ( sesuai UU / PP / >> Kepmen ) yg ada ini sudah cukup bagus , atau piye, Kan aturan iku > dibuat >> pada kondisi dan situasi waktu itu dadi nek pancen untuk lebih baik > lagi >> sesuai dg kondisi yang terjadi sekarang ini , kan iso di revisi.... >> >> >> >> >> >> ISM >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> Mengingatkan saja. >> >> Yang menentukan sensitivitas data negara itu pemerintah. Saat ini > penggunaan >> data di Indonesia, baik data sumur seismic dan data-data migas diatur > oleh >> peraturan tersendiri. Setiap perusahaan bisa saja "memiliki" data-data > itu >> diserver masing-masing. Tetapi penggunaan data itu berdasarkan atas > lisensi >> yang harus diperoleh secara resmi. >> >> Indonesia sepertinya tidak berpikir bagaimana anda (perusahaan) >> memperolehnya, bisa saja lewat black market. Tetapi ketika anda > (perusahaan) >> ketahuan secara legal tidak memiliki ijin (lisensi) penggunaannya > disitu >> awal bencana. Disitulah anda (perusahaan) akan dijerat !! >> >> The national data security and sensitivity will be defined by > government, >> not you ! >> >> RDP >> >> Subject: IHS Geologist detained and tortured by China's state security >> agents >> >> Chinese court sentences US geologist to 8 years >> By CHARLES HUTZLER >> Associated Press Writer >> >> >> >> BEIJING (AP) - An American geologist detained and tortured by China's > state >> security agents over an oil industry database was jailed for eight > years >> Monday in a troubling example of China's rough justice system and the > way >> the U.S. government handles cases against its citizens. Beijing's No. > 1 >> Intermediate People's Court convicted Xue Feng of collecting > intelligence >> and illegally providing state secrets and immediately sentenced him. >> >> Xue's lawyer Tong Wei described the sentence as "very heavy", just > short of >> the maximum 10 years, and said he would confer with Xue over whether > to >> appeal. Xue was also fined 200,000 yuan ($30,000). The U.S. > Ambassador to >> China, Jon Huntsman, witnessed the sentencing in a show of high-level > U.S. >> government concern about the case. Afterward, the U.S. Embassy > released a >> statement saying it was dismayed and urged China to grant Xue > "humanitarian >> release and immediately deport him." >> >> For Xue, the verdict comes more than six months since the last court > hearing >> and two and a half years after he was detained - a protracted > prosecution >> and pretrial detention that Chinese officials never explained. Born > in >> China and trained at the University of Chicago, Xue ran afoul of the >> authorities for arranging the sale of a detailed commercial database > on >> China's oil industry to IHS Energy, the energy consulting firm he > worked for >> that is now known as IHS Inc. and based in Colorado. >> >> Sentenced along with Xue were three Chinese nationals convicted of > being >> accomplices. Li Yongbo, a manager at Beijing Licheng Zhongyou Oil > Technology >> Development Co., was sentenced to eight years and fined 200,000 yuan >> ($30,000) while Chen Mengjin and Li Dongxu, who worked for research >> institutes affiliated with state-owned PetroChina Co. were each given >> two-and-a-half-year sentences and fined 50,000 yuan ($7,500). >> >> The case has been seen as a troubling complex of the pitfalls of > Chinese >> justice, especially for successful native Chinese who go abroad for >> education and work, acquire foreign citizenship and then return to > China for >> work. "This is a very harsh sentence. It's a very sad day for justice > in >> China," said John Kamm, an American human rights campaigner whom the > State >> Department turned to for help last year to lobby for Xue's release. > "It's a >> huge disappointment and will send very real shivers up the spines of >> businesses that do business in China." he said. >> >> Xue's case came to trial just as another China-born foreign national, >> Australian Stern Hu, was detained amid tense negotiations on iron ore > sales >> between his employer, global mining colossus Rio Tinto, and Chinese > state >> companies. Both Xue and Hu were charged on vague state secrets > charges. But >> unlike Xue, Hu's arrest received immediate publicity from the > Australian >> government and media. He is not known to have been mistreated and was >> brought to trial quickly, sentenced in March to 10 years for bribery > and >> infringing trade secrets. >> >> By contrast, Xue languished in detention. His disappearance in 2007 > and >> arrest did not become public for two years until reported by The > Associated >> Press last November. During the early weeks of his detention, state > security >> agents tortured Xue, stubbing lit cigarettes into his arms and hitting > him >> on the head with an ashtray. Later allowed visits by U.S. consular >> officers, Xue told them he wanted his case made public. However, his > wife, >> who lives in Texas, disagreed, believing that quiet lobbying might be > more >> effective and fearing that the publicity would trouble their two > children >> and possibly jeopardize her relatives still living in China. Amid > their >> disagreement, the U.S. State Department pursued back-channel > diplomacy. >> >> Meanwhile, the case was batted between the court and prosecutors. All > told, >> he appeared three times in court before Monday's hearing, the first in > July >> a year ago and the last in December. The court then repeatedly > postponed >> sentencing. Legal experts said the delays in issuing a verdict > exceeded >> legal time limits; Xue's lawyer said a decision should have come in > March at >> the latest. >> >> The lapses illustrate a growing willingness by the authoritarian > government >> to ignore laws to suit political interests. "There's an increasing > number >> of cases where there's no legal fig leaf," Jerome Cohen, a venerable > China >> law expert at New York University who has advised Xue's wife, said in > an >> interview before the verdict. >> >> Aside from Xue, Cohen ticks off other instances of detentions without > legal >> basis, among them Gao Zhisheng, a crusading rights lawyer disappeared > by >> authorities repeatedly, and Zheng Enchong, a lawyer who spent three > years in >> prison after revealing a corrupt land deal and is now in the fifth > year of >> house arrest that has little legal basis. "These are increasingly > apparent, >> visible signs of lawlessness," said Cohen. >> >> Chinese officials have wide authority to define state secrets, and the >> latitude makes it difficult for foreigners and Chinese alike to know > when >> they are crossing the line. Draft regulations released by the > government in >> April defines the business secrets of major state-run companies as > state >> secrets. In Xue's case, the database had been prepared by a Chinese > company >> and contained detailed information on the state of the Chinese oil > industry, >> which is predominantly state-controlled. >> >> Chinese law enforcement never identified the prison where Xue was > being >> held, neither to embassy officials in Beijing nor his lawyer, the only >> outsiders Xue was allowed to see. While the physical abuse of his > early >> detention stopped, Xue was still subject to indignities: The U.S. > Embassy >> said as of last week it had delivered 20-some books for Xue but prison >> authorities only allowed him a few. >> >> Trying to get Xue's case unstuck and underscore U.S. government > interest, >> Huntsman or the embassy's No. 2 have personally met with Xue every > month >> since late last year on the single monthly meeting consular officials > are >> allowed under a Chinese-U.S. agreement. >> >> During last month's visit, Huntsman waited an hour for Xue at the No. > 1 >> Intermediate People's Court, where the monthly meetings are held. The > judge >> stopped by to apologize, saying Xue was delayed by traffic, but he > refused >> to discuss the case, according to the U.S. Embassy. 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