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DYL280 has a VERY strong set of procedural capabilities including bit manipulation, the ability to use COBOL record descriptions, SORT verb, etc. I have used it to reformat SMF 30 records and play with directory blocks. It can be more powerful than COBOL for many things besides report writing. ---------Ed's Reply -------------- Its been a while since I have looked at either "language" (I still not sure you can call either one a language). Having said that my sense is that a computer language needs to be defined a lot better so anyone (including me) has their own idea as to what a language really is. My knowledge of IBM's products and therefore IBM's (apparent) definition is that a language has to be compiled and run through the linkage editor. The exception to this was (IIRC) APL. VSBASIC was did not really qualify either. There may be a few older 360 type TSO products that may not have qualified either. Please chime in if you know of any reasonably recent IBM products that were similar to easytrev or DYL. Of course if you do not support the idea that IBM's definitions are (were) qualified as languages then we have to step back and open the world to the discussion. I cannot do so since almost all of my knowledge is IBM centric. Ed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html