If it's SMS, the VVDS has data for non-VSAM also. I agree with you. Stop new 
allocations (DISNEW), Carefully move everything (make take several passes), 
when it's empty, re-init it and allocate a sufficiently large VVDS on it.   

I still always allocate a VVDS right after I init a new volume. I do not let 
the automatic allocation happen. 

Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University


> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
> Behalf Of Linda Mooney
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:42 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: IEC331I 050-030(VVDSFULL, PROD06)
> 
> Hi Esmie,
> 
> 
> 
> If you take the all of the VSAM datasets off of the volume, you can delete
> the VVDS (I can send you the IDCAMS if you want) and allocate a new,
> bigger one on the same volume.
> 
> 
> 
> Personally, I would not zap a VVDS.  I know that some probably would, but
> not me , I wouldn't.  I would stop new allocations.   I would move off the 
> data
> to another volume using a logical copy, not a physical copy - CA-Disk, FDRDSF,
> DSS .  I recommend taking a look at the size of the VTOC and the VTOC index
> as well.  Since the VVDS is too small the others are likely to be too small
> too.  The VVDS should be cleaned out before and deleted BEFORE  you re-init
> the volume.   I can help you with the VVDS clean out, if you want.  I have
> done many of them.
> 
> 
> 
> Do you have QuickRef?  Its DASD free space panel will show you the
> percentage of free space in the VTOC and index.  It works with single
> volume, SMS pool, or volser pattern.  It's an easy way to check a bunch of
> volumes.
> 
> 
> 
> Having one volume with a too small VVDS sug gests that there are probably
> more out there.  Folks often take the defaults and new folks often code sizes
> according to the  way it is in the book.  The more datasets that may be
> assigned to a volume, the bigger VTOC, VTOC index and VVDS will be
> needed.  It is better to have all three generously sized rather than too 
> small.
> 
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Linda
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> From: "esmie moo" <esmie_...@yahoo.ca>
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:48:23 AM
> Subject: Re: IEC331I 050-030(VVDSFULL, PROD06)
> 
> Linda,
> 
> I did what you asked.  I ran the report and moved 90 dsns from the volume,
> however the problem still persists.  I was told to check OEM option to ZAP
> the VVDS.  I would like to try that out but I am not sure where I should look
> for it.
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Linda Mooney <linda.lst...@comcast.net>
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 4:06:12 PM
> Subject: Re: IEC331I 050-030(VVDSFULL, PROD06)
> 
> Hi Esmie,
> 
> 
> 
> If you want to get a look at the contents of the VVDS, you can run this -
> 
> 
> 
> //STEP1   EXEC  PGM=IDCAMS
> //SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
> //SYSIN    DD  *
>    PRINT -
>     INDATASET(SYS1.VVDS.Vvolser) -
>     COUNT(1)
> 
> 
> It should shed some light on what has filled it up.
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
> From: "esmie moo" <esmie_...@yahoo.ca>
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:59:24 AM
> Subject: IEC331I 050-030(VVDSFULL, PROD06)
> 
> Good Afternoon Gentle Readers
> 
> I am trying to trouble shoot the following problem : IEC331I 050-
> 030(VVDSFULL, PROD06)
> According to the message error explanation it says that the VVDS is
> full.  When I check via ISPF 3.4 is shows that it is a 1 ext.  The VVDS was 
> built
> at TRACKS(30 1).  To fix the problem the doc says to move dsns off that
> volume.  I tried that but the problem persists when the system is trying to
> allocate a dsn on the volume.  Since the volume is SMS managed (phew), I
> put it at DISNEW.  The doc says to backup the volume, and reinitialize it 
> with a
> larger VVDS.
> Is there something else I can try before I try the doc's recommendation?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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