Bill,

I think a lot of folks have trouble describing the problem and hen a techie, 
i.e.; us have o try interpret what they are saying ...a protocol ...

Sent from my iPad
Scott Ford
Senior Systems Engineer
www.identityforge.com



On Mar 7, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Bill Fairchild <bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com> 
wrote:

> We have many of the same customer service issues here on IBM-MAIN.  The 
> customers are those who ask questions.  The servicers are those who try to 
> help the customers by answering their questions.  Sometimes the customer asks 
> how to do something before ever trying to do it.  Sometimes the customer is 
> willing to read a manual but doesn't know how to find which one to read 
> first.  Sometimes the customer doesn't write English very well.  Sometimes 
> the service borders on arrogant, but usually the server is trying to be 
> helpful.  Etc.
> 
> Bill Fairchild
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Scott Ford
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:08 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: Customer Service, the good and the bad...
> 
> It helps when the customer support rep speaks and understands English. Had a 
> neighbor with laptop to router problem , she was frustrated for three 
> days..turned out o be a simple issue..
> 
> There also seems to be a bit of a epidemic of people would don't read or 
> refuse to read manuals...A good manual worth it's weight , at least to me
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> Scott Ford
> Senior Systems Engineer
> www.identityforge.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 9:55 AM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Dale Miller <dalelmil...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> When my wife's windoze machine neared end-of-life, we bought her a 
>>> new HP laptop. I had to spend a lot of time fixing problems my wife 
>>> encountered because of HP's tactic of pasting HP-specific crud on top 
>>> of windoze, but eventually, we got things working in an 
>>> understandable way. But then ...  On the day after the warranty 
>>> expired, the internet connection through my wireless router would not 
>>> come up. I pursued all the help pages and Google and eventually 
>>> discovered that the light (on the F12 key) signifying power status to 
>>> the wireless adapter was amber rather than blue. HP FAQ's and Google hits 
>>> indicated that I should just press the F12 key, but to no avail.
>>> When I contacted HP, I was told that I would have to pay for support 
>>> on a time-used basis or get a contract for $59. I paid the $59 and 
>>> was connected to a lady for whom English was a second language. She 
>>> knew immediately what the problem was and instructed me to delete and 
>>> rebuild one of the programs that was part of the afore-mentioned 
>>> overlay of HP crud, and then to download an updated BIOS from HP's site.
>>> What really bothers me about this is:
>>> 1) The problem's emergence on the first day of non-warranty status.
>>> 2) The fact that the problem is obviously with HP software (or 
>>> perhaps manufacturing processes related to software).
>>> 3) The fact that support knew all about the problem, but it was not 
>>> in the FAQ's, or at least not recognizable by the symptoms I experienced.
>>> 4) That I had to pay to discover HP's defect.
>> 
>> But you then posted the solution with lots of good keywords so the 
>> next person wouldn't have to pay, right?
>> --
>> zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it"
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