that in most medium to large organizations, lines do need to be drawn > in order to keep people focused on the jobs they are hired to do
I take this to mean keep them stupid so that they cannot get a job anywhere else. And just why is it a security breach to allow someone to look at a dataset they cannot update? Certain applications programmers can also utilize things like linklists and apf datasets as well as LE options so they should have the right to at least look at how they are defined to the system. a long time ago the MVS group here would not even allow the CICS and other groups to browse their SMP datasets. Well we saw how long that lasted! A good portion of the systems problems I encounter in CICS are due to bugs in other components like LE, DFSMS, VTAM, etc. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Knight Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: how to list LE options > Peter, > Calm down. > Nobody is picking on anyone, crush working relationships, or trying to > over step authority. Yes, good relations are crucial and I doubt that > very many sysprogs are out there undermining that. The simple fact is > that in most medium to large organizations, lines do need to be drawn > in order to keep people focused on the jobs they are hired to do. Yes, > it can instill some frustration, especially if you came from a smaller > environment and are used to diving in where ever you wish. > Believe it or not, even sysprogs have limitations placed on their > activities. In some cases, so strict that they can't get trivial tasks > completed without major approvals. > Today, I would think that Parmlib security is pretty much a standard > in most large shops. Any information that you think you may be lacking > due to your inability to browse at-will, should be adequately > documented. My quip actually dates back to experiences back in the > 80's. I wouldn't really expect much of that happening today. Please > note that I do make a distinction on organizational size. This makes a > very big difference as to how you run things. And, as to the job > titles, many of us have worn many different hats over the years and > have been on different sides of the fence. I don't think this is an > argument as much as a criticism on certain individuals bent on being somewhat disruptive or worse. > > sage ----- > From: "Farley, Peter x23353" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main > To: <IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: how to list LE options > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Phil Knight >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:24 PM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: how to list LE options >>> >>> Ditto....ever have "users" cruise your parmlib and then tell you how >>> to tune the system? Solution: UACC(NONE). >> >> Oh really? And did you then publish elsewhere the contents of >> LNKLST, the APF list, and other important system info stored in >> PARMLIB that is NOT performance related? >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
