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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gerhard Adam
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:57 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: z/OS 1.9 Features summary
> 
> 
> > Though in the past I would agree with you, I no longer do. I've
> > graduated to a XXXXL clue stick for the programming staff with NO
> > RESULTS. The current crop seem to have the attitude of "it 
> should work
> > the way that I think it should work and want it to work. I 
> don't have
> > time to be bothered. I'm too busy as it is." I blame the 
> Web and MS for
> > this "instant gratification" desire in IT and end-users.
> 
> Perhaps we should stop calling them programmers and considering them 
> technical?  Maybe I'm being a bit too harsh, but perhaps part 
> of the problem 
> is that we still insist on giving people technical titles and 
> responsibilities (from decades where they actually meant 
> something) to 
> people that are, at best, administrators.

Yes - and the worst ones are the ones who also insist on being called
"Software Engineer". The word Engineer is in my title as well. I never
use it. I'm a sysprog, damn it!

> 
> I realize that there have always been problem individuals, or 
> people with 
> fewer that the desired skills.  But, in truth, I have never 
> heard more 
> whining from people that have access to the best tools and technology 
> available, yet they can't seem to figure out how to code an 
> IEBGENER job 
> stream.  Even worse, there has never been more documentation 
> available than 
> there is today, yet the average "programmer" doesn't seem to 
> realize that 
> (just like books), PDFs don't read themselves.  In the past 
> many people were 
> accused of only copying the examples from manuals rather than 
> reading them, 
> yet in many ways I wish the current crop would be even that 
> industrious.

Or as I overhead my boss on the phone with level 1 support for some
product. They wanted an IEBGENER unload of a load library. When the boss
asked "Don't you mean IEBCOPY?", then insisted that they meant IEBGENER!

> 
> I also recognize that there are exceptions to this rant out 
> there and to 
> them I apologize for my statements and wish them much luck.

True. We a couple of "old tyme" programmers who are good. They are
usually swamped because they can actually get the job done.

> 
> My two cents
> 
> Adam



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