Up unit a couple of weeks ago we were still using dumb 3270's/3174's for consoles.
When one of the 3174's went belly up we lost both of the consoles on one LPAR. We now have IP attached consoles via 2074's. I figured that it would do any good to say 'I told you so' Jerry "Schwarz, Barry A" <barry.a.schw...@boeing.com> Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu> 03/05/2009 02:50 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu> To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: 3490E cartridges Aren't beliefs a wonderful thing. Since one customer is still using 3270 style dumb terminals exclusively, I can assure you of at least one mainframe shop without a PC. We would be quite willing to give them one but it wouldn't help since they don't have a TCP/IP network either. While we could probably find the software, it won't work without a 3172 type network controller. By the way, that mainframe does not have OSAs or HMCs. There is another site that does have a Support Element (almost an HMC) but I cannot find any documentation on how to run any application other than the Support Element Workplace (I think that's what it is called). In particular, I would love to start either a telnet or ftp session with the mainframe but gave up several years ago. I'm perfectly willing to say bus and tag is obsolete. I shudder any time I have to relocate one of those cables. Simply uncoiling it can cause it to crack internally, especially if it has been untouched for dozens of years. I would willingly visit my in-laws if I never had to touch another one. My point is that obsolescence is not necessarily at the top of a customers decision making priority list. A obsolete device/system that works satisfactorily does in fact work satisfactorily, even if it is obsolete. If the customer is willing to pay the overhead associated with using obsolete equipment, I see no reason not to support them as long as we can. We all know the situation cannot last forever but part of what they pay me for is to make it last as long as possible, or at least until they can upgrade. -----Original Message----- From: R.S. [mailto:r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 3490E cartridges Eric Bielefeld wrote: > Very well put! A happy customer is probably worth a lot. > > We used to have a CD reader at P&H Mining when I first started in 1985. > Oh wait - that was an 8" floppy reader. I'm not sure if CDs were > invented then for data storage. I'm sure someone will know. I think > the floppy reader was bus and tag connected though. CD started in circa 1980. CD is present in mainframe. HMC. If not, then you can buy CD for $10. IDE interface. Then put it into any PC connected to the mainframe. I simply don't believe that there is any mainframe shop without any PC. Is there any? OK, buy them whole PC with CD reader. Caution: I did not say that B&T is obsolete and should be replaced with a FICON. I did not say about any investment (I assume PC with CD is alredy present). -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 0000025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
