>>Otoh, without Windows, who really would have been using the Internet
>Pretty much everybody who is now. Without windows they'd be running, >e.g., OS/2, MacOS, Linux. Quite funny you'd say that. Now I was also around in those times. I remember struggling to get TCP/IP to work on OS/2 for our P/390. So much for OS/2. I was connecting with bulletin boards and using the Compuserve network back then (remember me?) W95 was the first OS that made using the Internet more or less practical (well, for normal people). Linux was almost uninstallable for non-specialists until sometime in the 2000s (and maybe still is) and would probably never have existed in its present form without the Internet as we know it (ie, without all that oversight). And re IE and Mac, well IE was the standard browser for many years, I seem to recall. Also we know what a lover Apple is of open systems. Of course back then they were competing with MS. After getting their successful iPhone monopoly the gloves came off. Great world it would be if you could only access the Internet from your PC via Apple authorized applications. Of course it's just so easy to claim all this stuff and assert eg that security issues "were obvious at the time" (amongst the computer elite, one supposes). I remember when you could get into supervisor state with the SPIE macro, and the ages it took IBM to integrate RACF fully with the rest of the OS. Experience comes slowly and mostly after the issues have become very obvious, I would tend to say. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] Im Auftrag von Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Juli 2012 23:51 An: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: Re: Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet? In <E36DC330434FBA4ABA45590D5370A88B076C4863@INTERCHIP-SBS.interchip.local>, on 07/24/2012 at 08:00 PM, David Stokes <sto...@interchip.de> said: >In other words, if everything had happened ten years later we would >now be around the same point we were 10 years ago. No. Starting ten years latter is your concept, not mine. >No one could have foreseen the problems the Internet would bring >until there was an Internet. The Internet started with the ARPAnet-MILNET split. Not only could people forsee the problems of uncontrolled commercialization, they *did* forsee those problems and their warnings were ignored. >Otoh, without Windows, who really would have been using the Internet Pretty much everybody who is now. Without windows they'd be running, e.g., OS/2, MacOS, Linux. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2 <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
