No sysplex? How does a vendor test rolling installation/maintenance across a sysplex for 24x7 uptime?
> -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of David Crayford > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:27 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: mainframe "selling" points > > On 30/01/2013 1:07 PM, Don Williams wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > > > While I've heard of zPDT, I don't really know/understand what is does > or > > offers a vendor. Sounds like zPDT is an affordable and effective > platform. > > Too bad some vendor did not use it to develop an z/OS EMR package for > > hospitals that already have a z/OS infrastructure. > > > It offers vendors who have no need for a sysplex a cheap > development/testing/demo environment that they can run on a laptop, > desktop or rack server. > It would be interesting to see how it measures up running a production > workload on the latest x86 iron like > http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/x/hardware/enterprise/x3850x5/specs.html > compared to a business class mainframe like a z114. > > > > Don > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- > m...@listserv.ua.edu] > >> On Behalf Of Scott Ford > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 5:23 PM > >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >> Subject: Re: mainframe "selling" points > >> > >> Don, > >> > >> Dude a lot of vendors, like ourselves run Z/Pdt > >> > >> Scott ford > >> www.identityforge.com > >> > >> Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and > >> I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb > >> > >> > >> On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Don Williams <donb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi John, > >>> > >>> System z is not cheap (does it start around $1M?). I expect the > >> traditional > >>> mainframe operating systems, like z/OS, z/VM, etc., to have a > >> significant > >>> price tag. I'm not sure what the pricing is for the zLinux variety > >> of > >>> operating system. Free does not get you business class support. > Add > >> to that > >>> the environment, DASD, etc., it's hard for the startup vendor to > put > >> all > >>> that in his garage :-) > >>> > >>> It seems like they are trying to prevent the creation of smaller > more > >>> affordable "mainframes". What happened to P/390, FLEX-ES? Is > there > >> any way > >>> to legally run z/OS on Hercules? If a small vendor needs coupling > >>> facilities, I think he is out of luck. > >>> > >>> Don > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- > >> m...@listserv.ua.edu] > >>>> On Behalf Of John McKown > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:42 AM > >>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >>>> Subject: Re: mainframe "selling" points > >>>> > >>>> I am not sure, but the PC in impinging on the z in many ways. IMO, > >> one > >>>> reason is that some very creative people can afford their own PC > and > >>>> tools (especially if they use Linux). The investment is very low > >>>> compared to a z. And the "vendor" can then market the product to > >> many > >>>> more people. Most every office in the world has PC class servers. > >> Take > >>>> the EMR package. If it is priced correctly and easy to use, then > the > >>>> market into local doctor's offices is immense compared to, say, > only > >>>> into a major hospital (which could possibly afford a z). I know my > >>>> personal doctor has some sort of PC based software. I see them > (and > >> my > >>>> dentist) using it. And the doctor no longer writes physical > >>>> prescriptions. He just enters it into his laptop; it then ends up > >>>> going to my pharmacy; and they send a text to my phone when it is > >>>> ready to pick up. I really don't see much of any reason for > >>>> "application level" code on the z any more. Things like DB2, > maybe. > >>>> But CICS? Sorry, it is simply easier to create a "web" based > >>>> transaction using WAS or JBOSS or Tomcat on a server. Doing so is > >> more > >>>> cost efficient for our size (and shrinking) business. The only > >> reason > >>>> we continue with CICS/COBOL is that we do incremental changes. We > >>>> don't have the money to convert from CICS or batch COBOL to > >> something > >>>> else (likely Microsoft .NET based <shudder/>). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Don Williams <donb...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> In my company's case, it's not a matter of asking our vendor to > >> work > >>>> with > >>>>> IBM. The vendor already works with IBM, but has chosen to phase > >> out > >>>> their > >>>>> mainframe product and create a new one that runs on PC-based > >> servers. > >>>> For > >>>>> various reasons, the hospital decided to open the field and look > >> for > >>>> a new > >>>>> Electronic Medical Record (EMR) package across all platforms. My > >>>>> understanding is that there is no viable EMR package available on > >> the > >>>> z/OS > >>>>> platform. This made me wonder -- is there no EMR vendor who > chose > >> to > >>>>> develop their product on the z/OS platform? I expect that > >> successful > >>>>> vendors carefully chose their platform(s). If they are not > chosing > >>>> z/OS, > >>>>> why not? > >>>> -- > >>>> Maranatha! <>< > >>>> John McKown > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > >> -- > >>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- > >> MAIN > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > >> - > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- > >> MAIN > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- > MAIN > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- > MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
