> I did ask why (in the world) they used it, and they said because 
> it's always available by default - no install needed.

That is certainly a good reason for learning "The Editor From Hell". But isn't 
emacs almost as common?


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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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Subject: Re: ISPF for mainframe Linux

On 1/27/2021 6:43 AM, Steve Thompson wrote:
> Then why do so many people complain about vi outside of mainframers?
> Why are there other editors and even mods for vi if it is so wonderful?
>
That's probably true, but around 2005 when I didn't have enough z/OS
work to do, I moved about half my time over to the dark side of AIX,
Linux, and at least a couple of other Unixes that I can't remember -
working with a bunch of folks who never touched a mainframe.  I don't
remember a single complaint about vi from them.  I did ask why (in the
world) they used it, and they said because it's always available by
default - no install needed.

The last time I had any major Linux editing to do (writing a relatively
large system in C, multiple modules, etc.) I used the editor that comes
with Microsoft Visual Studio on Win 10, with Samba setup to
automatically save the files from Windows over to the Linux box.  Worked
great and no vi or whatever needed.  Maybe that could be an alternative
on the mainframe too, at least for a large project where it's worth
setting up Samba.

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