On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:47:51 -0500, Paul Gilmartin <paulgboul...@aim.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:26:38 -0500, Walt Farrell wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:18:48 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:
>>
>>>In the long term, of course, RACF will surely change to allow phrases
>>>to be as short as anyone likes, subject only to installation control,
>>>and passwords to be optional, and then we'll have by a very long and
>>>roundabout route what everyone wanted in the first place: z/OS support
>>>for long passwords.
>> 
>Amen.
>
>>I sincerely doubt RACF will ever allow passwords shorter than 9. They are too 
>>weak, unless the site has a new password phrase exit to apply some rules 
>>regarding allowable character content.
>>
>Today RACF allows passwords of 8, perhaps even less.  Are you
>anticipating that an incompatible change will be made?

No; my apologies. I meant it would not allow password phrases shorter than 9. 

>
>>It probably will someday allow a z/OS user to have a password phrase but no 
>>password. RACF on z/VM already allows that, and did from the beginning of its 
>>password phrase support if I remember correctly.
>> 
>This whole discussion baffles me.  Why were passwords and password phrases
>introduced as two separate concepts, rather than simply increasing the maximum
>length of passwords and relaxing the syntax to allow blanks and minuscules?
>
>That should have been relatively easy since no control control block stores the
>password persistently -- that's a basic security requirement.

It was considered, but the code changes to allow that were more complex than 
you envision. 

-- 
Walt

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