He wasn't too complementary about Java either. I never used Smalltalk but I've seen examples in the GoF Design Patterns book. Guys I've spoken to that used it extensively talk very fondly about it.

On 3/07/2022 5:37 am, Rupert Reynolds wrote:
I can't remember which of Alan Kay's talks it's in, but I have a few of his
saved and one or two have him saying "the big idea is messaging" and
something like "whatever I had in mind, I can tell you now it wasn't C++"
:-)

The late great Joe Armstrong (of Erlang fame) also quoted Alan Kay on this
at least once.

In my opinion, a lot of language development jumped on the OO bandwagon
without thinking things through properly.

Roops

On Sat, 2 Jul 2022, 21:06 Bob Bridges, <robhbrid...@gmail.com> wrote:

Rony, could you (or someone) say more about that?  The ooRexx
documentation has a lot to say about messaging, which is a bit confusing to
me because I first got a handle on OOP in VBA and VBSCript, which do not.
If the big idea is messaging, does VBA do that and I just didn't notice?
Or are the VB flavors something different that don't do messaging, or not
very much?

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Alan Kay is regarded to have coined the term "object-oriented programming
(OOP)" in the context of his work while at PARC. He is being cited on
Wikipedia:

     I'm sorry that I long ago coined the term "objects" for this topic
because it gets many people
     to focus on the lesser idea. The big idea is "messaging".[8]

Cf. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay#cite_ref-8>.

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