The thing about Smalltalk (and a lot of other developments) is just how old they are. And we keep re-inventing some things. Smalltalk was remarkable in 1970-ish. Lambdas in Algol-68, but it wasn't the first I believe, and they can be tracked back further to maths in 1932.
Great insights in the 1968 NATO conference on "Software Engineering". TDD can be traced back to awk and further bsck than that, I reckon. I think a lot of Alan Kay's energy is frustration that everything takes so long! Roops On Sun, 3 Jul 2022, 03:47 David Crayford, <dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: > He wasn't too complementary about Java either. I never used Smalltalk > but I've seen examples in the GoF Design Patterns book. Guys I've spoken > to that used it extensively talk very fondly about it. > > On 3/07/2022 5:37 am, Rupert Reynolds wrote: > > I can't remember which of Alan Kay's talks it's in, but I have a few of > his > > saved and one or two have him saying "the big idea is messaging" and > > something like "whatever I had in mind, I can tell you now it wasn't C++" > > :-) > > > > The late great Joe Armstrong (of Erlang fame) also quoted Alan Kay on > this > > at least once. > > > > In my opinion, a lot of language development jumped on the OO bandwagon > > without thinking things through properly. > > > > Roops > > > > On Sat, 2 Jul 2022, 21:06 Bob Bridges, <robhbrid...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Rony, could you (or someone) say more about that? The ooRexx > >> documentation has a lot to say about messaging, which is a bit > confusing to > >> me because I first got a handle on OOP in VBA and VBSCript, which do > not. > >> If the big idea is messaging, does VBA do that and I just didn't notice? > >> Or are the VB flavors something different that don't do messaging, or > not > >> very much? > >> > >> --- > >> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > >> > >> /* It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less > >> selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or > >> monarchy....When clear prospects are opened before vanity, pride, > avarice, > >> or ambition, for their easy gratification, it is hard for the most > >> considerate philosophers and the most conscientious moralists to resist > the > >> temptation. Individuals have conquered themselves. Nations and large > bodies > >> of men, never. -from "The Letters of John and Abigail Adams" */ > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf > >> Of Rony G. Flatscher > >> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 15:05 > >> > >> Alan Kay is regarded to have coined the term "object-oriented > programming > >> (OOP)" in the context of his work while at PARC. He is being cited on > >> Wikipedia: > >> > >> I'm sorry that I long ago coined the term "objects" for this topic > >> because it gets many people > >> to focus on the lesser idea. The big idea is "messaging".[8] > >> > >> Cf. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay#cite_ref-8>. > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
