> On 11 May 2023, at 11:39 am, Frank Swarbrick <frank.swarbr...@outlook.com> > wrote: > > Is it bad because it's slow, or some other reason(s)?
Slow? 3 minutes to respond to a key-press could be considered very slow! X11 sucks per-se, not just on z/OS. The only standout application is GIMP. Cross-platform GUI SDK’s and libraries and Web Applications have eclipsed it. I’m not sure it’s well supported on z/OS or if they have any customers. You would have to be nuts to even considered running a GUI using X11 passthrough on z/OS. > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of > David Crayford > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 5:58 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols] > >> On 11 May 2023, at 6:25 am, Frank Swarbrick <frank.swarbr...@outlook.com> >> wrote: >> >> Has anyone here ever used X11 under z/OS? > > Yes, it sucks! I don’t see the point of in in 2023 where almost all GUI > applications are browser based progressive web applications. Even IDE’s like > VS Code are HTML/TypeScript and built with Electron. ChromeOS is a Linux > distribution which uses Google Chrome as it’s principle UI. > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On >> Behalf Of Seymour J Metz >> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 12:36 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols] >> >> Current versions of, e.g., bash, go, ooRexx, perl, python, ruby, rust, x11. >> >> >> -- >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on >> behalf of Farley, Peter >> [0000031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 12:34 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols] >> >> "Install bash" is not a possibility in some shops. IBM needs to make bash >> available (and supported) in ALL delivered/updated z/OS systems, as a >> standard part of z/OS, so that there is no choice in the matter. Ditto for >> all the other necessary GNU utilities of course. >> >> Again, just my USD$0.02. >> >> Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On >> Behalf Of Phil Smith III >> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 12:23 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: XLC version? [was: RE: XLC - Weak symbols] >> >> Peter Farley wrote: >>> Well, if Open XL C/C++ is the "wave of the future" then IBM had >>> better plan to also buy and integrate all of Rocket's GNU ports >>> (especially >>> bash) because I for one can NOT work in that @#$%!^ POSIX "sh" they >>> supply at the moment. It is a hideous shell to try to work in. It >>> does not even support using the arrow keys to recall previous >>> commands, the backspace key does not work to let you fix command text >>> . . . I could go on, but what's the point. It is just plain awful. >> >> Install bash and use that. Not disagreeing, it *is* awful. if IBM is still >> serious about USS they need to spend a (relatively) SMALL amount of effort >> to add standard things like bash, curl, and dos2unix. It's a huge blocker to >> anyone trying to do real work there. >> -- >> >> This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the >> addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. >> If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized >> representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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