"LexisNexis is over 200 years old..." Bull. LexisNexis was started by a lawyer in 1956...
Joe On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 7:57 AM Bill Johnson < 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Shocking, LexisNexis is over 200 years old and is designed specifically > for legal purposes. ChatGPT is less than a year old and isn’t designed > (yet) for the legal profession. > > Good choice picking the LexisNexis one. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Wednesday, September 6, 2023, 8:48 AM, Dean Kent <drke...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Which brings up another 'interesting' anecdote. I used chatGPT to > 'write' a set of bylaws for a new non-profit for a youth sports club. > I asked it over a dozen times with different wording, and it came back > with a wide variety of results - some that were long and included many > sections, and others that were short and included only what might be > considered 'necessary' sections. I have a friend who is an attorney, > and he sent me the template that LexisNexis provides. It had a lot > more content, some which the IRS now indicates is 'preferred' or even > required. So I ended up using the template since I could just remove > or ignore sections that weren't pertinent. The template also had a > variety of options (variables, if you will) for wording depending on, > for example, if the corporation has a CEO or President and whether board > officers can also be corporate executives, etc. > > That caused me to make the decision that I would not consider using > chatGPT for creating legal documents. Again, YMMV. > > On 9/5/2023 12:27 PM, Steve Thompson wrote: > > And so we can now understand that when a paralegal or newly minted > > attorney uses it to find case law for points and authorities, it will > > will make them up to match what was being searched for when it > > prepares a motion it was asked for using the results of the search. > > > > And some attorneys got a judge quite angry with them when they didn't > > tell the court this, but the opposing council pointed out they could > > not find any such case listed in the pleadings/motion. Then the > > judge's people also could not find same.... This is the kind of thing > > that concerns me about AI today. Once it has been taught enough to > > learn on its own.... > > > > Steve Thompson > > > > On 9/5/2023 12:46 PM, Dean Kent wrote: > >> I spent a bit of time playing with chatGPT to see what it could do. > >> So did my two sons - one an MS in biotech, the other a PhD in > >> theoretical physics. We all came to the same conclusion - chatGPT > >> is a very, very good Google search that can filter many different > >> possible 'answers' and come to one that is 'most likely' based on > >> various factors. It has little to no creativity or understanding of > >> what it is asked to do. Not surprising, but different than what the > >> popular press seems to say about it. > >> > >> One of my questions was to write a simple sort routine in HLASM. It > >> came back with a template containing the entry/exit code, and then a > >> comment *insert sort routine here*. After doing that with many > >> different simple tasks, I came to the conclusion that the problem > >> chatGPT has with assembler (but not with C, Python, Java, etc.) is > >> that there are so few searchable examples of code in assembler. So > >> the quality of the results, for any question, depends upon what > >> exists out on the Internet. Again, not surprising. > >> > >> As another example, I have an interest in what is called 'historical > >> analysis'. There are a number of books on the subject, so I asked > >> chatGPT to compare/contrast two of the books. Then two other books, > >> etc. In literally every case it came back with the same > >> introductory text and conclusion - but inserted a couple of > >> paragraphs that was similar to a book review for each book and > >> compared the 'differences'. Not very impressed. > >> > >> My PhD son uses it to find obscure hypotheses and formulas that would > >> otherwise require a great many hours (or days) of searching. My MS > >> son uses it in a similar fashion to ferret out alternative options > >> for the various cell growing and protein extraction for his job. A > >> very useful tool, but not yet SkyNet... > >> > >> YMMV. > >> > >> On 9/5/2023 9:36 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > >>> We are all retired. The other 2 went before me. I went in July 2022. > >>> You’re an idiot regardless. What are you afraid of? That a computer > >>> can do what you do? That your “skills” aren’t all that impressive > >>> and can be automated away? > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:25 PM, David Spiegel > >>> <00000468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Bill, > >>> I have a better idea. > >>> Why don't you and the 2 buddies who helped you modify the IEFUSI fix > >>> it? > >>> Probably because you don't have the wherewithal (even with 2 helpers). > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> David > >>> > >>> On 2023-09-05 12:04, Bill Johnson wrote: > >>>> Lol, how about going to chatgpt and asking the same question. So > >>>> that cut and paste isn’t a factor. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 12:02 PM, David Spiegel > >>>> <00000468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Steve, > >>>> It won't. The first executable statement is missing a comma between > >>>> operands. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> David > >>>> > >>>> On 2023-09-05 11:43, Steve Thompson wrote: > >>>>> I doubt it will assemble. And even if it does, the results are > >>>>> unpredictable, other than it will probably ABEND for one reason or > >>>>> another. > >>>>> > >>>>> There are no DCB, OPEN, CLOSE macros while GET and PUT are being > >>>>> used. > >>>>> > >>>>> Me thinks this AI system is confusing a few different assembly > >>>>> languages together. I wonder how close they came for DOS I/O. > >>>>> Steve Thompson > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 9/5/2023 11:20 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: > >>>>>> You're right, Tom. That is not a program. Certainly not one that > >>>>>> will > >>>>>> do what it claims to do. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- Tom Marchant On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 10:42:51 -0700, Tom Brennan > >>>>>> <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> I can't be sure I formatted it properly, but after looking over the > >>>>>>> code, I have nothing to say but WTF? 😄 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> PRINT NOGEN > >>>>>>> TITLE 'Simple Addition Program' > >>>>>>> ** Define storage for input numbers and result > >>>>>>> * > >>>>>>> NUM1 DS F First input number > >>>>>>> NUM2 DS F Second input number > >>>>>>> RESULT DS F Result of addition > >>>>>>> ** Main program > >>>>>>> * > >>>>>>> MAIN C 0 NUM1 Check if NUM1 is zero > >>>>>>> BE ZERO Branch to ZERO if true > >>>>>>> ** Read the first number from input > >>>>>>> * > >>>>>>> GET NUM1,NUMIN Read NUM1 from input > >>>>>>> LA 0,NUM1 Load NUM1 into register > >>>>>>> ** Read the second number from input > >>>>>>> * > >>>>>>> GET NUM2,NUMIN Read NUM2 from input > >>>>>>> A NUM1,NUM2 Add NUM1 and NUM2 > >>>>>>> ST NUM1,RESULT Store the result in RESULT > >>>>>>> ** Print the result > >>>>>>> * > >>>>>>> PUT RESULT,NUMOUT Print the result > >>>>>>> ** Terminate the program > >>>>>>> * > >>>>>>> SR 15,15 Set return code to 0 > >>>>>>> BR 14 Return to caller > >>>>>>> ** Define input and output areas > >>>>>>> * > >>>>>>> NUMIN DC F'0' Input buffer for numbers > >>>>>>> NUMOUT DC F'0' Output buffer for result > >>>>>>> ZERO DC F'0' Constant zero > >>>>>>> END MAIN End of program > >>>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>>>>> send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > >>>>>> IBM-MAIN > >>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>>>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > >>>>> IBM-MAIN > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
