It is not uncommon for me to get emails from offshore recruiters for non-IT jobs in my home state. It seems the match criteria that is being used is based on state of residence instead of job experience.
"Confidentially doc, I am the wabbit." Bugs Bunny Sent with Proton Mail secure email. On Thursday, July 24th, 2025 at 9:18 AM, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote: > Many recruiters appear to not be looking at the LinkedIn status or resumes, > although the latter may be due to the issues LinkedIn has with importing > resumes. Still, sending a lowball offer to someone listed as not looking > seems counterproductive. > > There's also keyword matching; half century of assembler experience would not > qualify me to work on an assembly line. It comes across as throw it at the > wall and see hat sticks. > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [email protected] on behalf of > Steve Beaver [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2025 7:40 AM > To: [email protected] [email protected] > > Subject: Re: US Based zOS Systems Programmers > > > External Message: Use Caution > > > TCS has sold a service contract to Toyota in Plano. The downside is that TCS > does not rehire and that is their choice. The problem becomes is that I have > no Idea how many people on this list are former TCS employees as I am. > > But I have been approacted and/or contacted over 500 times for the Toyota > deal in Plano. That many contacts has far beyond exceeded the level of > Mass insanity and stupidity. Also TCS has sold a service contact to Boeing > and Zions Bank, and yet the recuiters keep contacting the same known > resources in hopes of finding someone. > > There are other recuiters looking for companies other then TCS, DXC, and CTS. > Those are the ones I want US Based zOS Systems Programmers to target. > > In the past few days I have been hit with e-mails for San Berinadino County > in California and I simply respond $135/Hr W2. Again the recuiters are using > the same known zOS Systems Programmers. Also I've been approache for my > skills of ACF2, RACF, zSecure, and TSS and it respond with $135/Hr W2. And > San Berinadino County in California I know have been looking for well over a > year. > > Beause of US Laws under the Trump Administration and government regulated > industries and companies lile Toyota that have statted US Citizens only, no > one from other counties can be hired and there lies the rub > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Phil Smith III > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2025 1:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: US Based zOS Systems Programmers > > Hmm. I mostly agree, but there would seem to be room for discussion of what > U.S.-based sysprogs are worth vs. ones in other timezones. It's the "other > timezones" that becomes an issue: when every interaction takes 24 hours > because the two sides are 12 hours apart, that's a problem, no matter how > good they are. > > And if folks are being offered the same rates as in the 80s, when the number > of quality people has declined precipitously, that feels like a problem worth > discussion too. But of course Radoslav is correct that neither complaining > here nor to a recruiter is likely to lead to any change. Though I find it > offensive to be approached with a lowball offer--but that's just basic > incompetence on the part of the recruiter. Probably more useful to explain to > them why it's lowball. > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [email protected] On Behalf Of Tom > Brennan > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2025 1:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: US Based zOS Systems Programmers > > +1 > > On 7/23/2025 10:10 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > > > First of all, IMHO it is off-topic. > > > > It is off-topic despite we see "system programmers" keywords here. > > It is off-topic, because it not mainframe-specific issue, rather it's > > an issue of IT or even wider - about world economy and remote work > > possibilities. > > > > Of course you can be angry for the rates, but it is neither issue of > > Indian people nor Indian companies. Even American or Canadian > > companies do hire people outside. Not to mention European giants like > > Atos, Sopra, etc. And all those companies do hire US citizens as well as EU > > citizens. > > And people living in India, Indonesia, Peru, Costa Rica, Brasil, > > Australia, New Zealand, Philippines, etc. However it is not only about > > employees - Kyndryl or Ensono or other companies have big customers > > outside of US - is it OK? For me it is. > > And yes, US folks are usually paid better than people in Lithuania > > (Rocket Software), people in Poland are paid better than in Brasil or > > Pakistan. But the difference does NOT come from someone's appeals or > > invocations. > > > > If you want to change the rules - it's your decision. 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