Agree. And: If manuals and elementary knowledge of the z/OS environment technicals is all that's needed - then why this list? Only for managing the z/OS (no technicalites)?
Thomas Berg "I wash off the hatred of my enemies and the greed and wrath of powerful people." Den ons 15 okt. 2025 14:47Abe Kornelis <[email protected]> skrev: > Hi all, > > It can be quite a challenge to find the information you need. > It can be quite a challenge to find the manual you need. > It can be quite daunting to make sense of the specific American English > vocabulary and the host of abbreviations. > Especially when it's not your native language... > > When you're new to the field, it's quite a challenge to connect all the > dots. > > And some employers simply take on a contract and dump all the issues > onto the unlucky employees who happen to be there at the time. > Don't blame the victim who got an assignment and a deadline > without proper training or instruction. > > Consider to admire these unhappy folks for there persistence > in trying to solve a problem that is beyond their current > capacity (and probably pay grade as well). > > Kind regards & happy programming! > Abe > === > > On 15/10/2025 10:35, Martin Packer wrote: > > I'm gentler on the "you could've got that from the manual" thing. > > > > Cheers, Martin > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on > behalf of Brian Westerman <[email protected]> > > Date: Wednesday, 15 October 2025 at 05:56 > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Political topics > > > > I agree, although I think that there are some on the list that are > acting as systems programmers and ask a lot of questions that seem to point > to them seemingly not knowing what they are doing. In some cases I have to > wonder if helping them is actually helping or maybe just keeping someone > from getting a job that can do that work. I believe that we need to help > people to learn, and I try to do that when possible, but I have to wonder > about the expertise level that we are dealing with sometimes. > > > > Just my feeling, but maybe there needs to be some limits on asking > questions that can be easily answered by looking in the manual. > > > > Plus the semi-constant political stuff really does suck eggs. For some > reason it tends to bring out the grumpiness in a lot of people. > > > > Brian > > > > On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 02:53:54 +0000, Doug Fuerst <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> YAY!! > >> > >> Doug Fuerst > >> > >> > >> > >> ------ Original Message ------ > > >From "Darren Evans-Young" <[email protected]> > >> To [email protected] > >> Date 10/14/2025 22:11:35 PM > >> Subject Political topics > >> > >>> Please stop with the political discussions!!! I'm tired of it. This is > not the forum for it. > >>> I'm going to start setting people to REVIEW. > >>> > >>> Darren > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > Unless otherwise stated above: > > > > IBM United Kingdom Limited > > Registered in England and Wales with number 741598 > > Registered office: Building C, IBM Hursley Office, Hursley Park Road, > Winchester, Hampshire SO21 2JN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
