We would have to put together a spreadsheet of all IBM Mainframe Skills on a 
line item basis with a floor rate of $120/Hr W2 or $135/Hr C2C depending on 
skill

Also realizing everyone in the business would have to signon 


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> On Feb 6, 2026, at 10:51, Charles Mills <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> My guess would be to contact an existing union that seemed relevant. SEIU? 
> IBEW? CWA? OPEIU?
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_labor_unions_in_the_United_States
> 
> Charles
> 
>> On 2/6/2026 8:38 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:
>> Ok Charles. How do we as a group in the United States start a trade union 
>> and publish our fee schedule?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> No one said I could type with one thumb
>> 
>>>> On Feb 6, 2026, at 10:30, Steve Thompson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah but we rejected that when the state of NJ decided that systems 
>>> programmers should fall under Cosmetology, while about the same period 
>>> Texas was pursuing those claiming to be engineers that had not been granted 
>>> such a legal title. This involved IBM who had CEs (Customer Engineers), and 
>>> the like.
>>> 
>>> NaSPA (National association of Systems programmers- can't remember what the 
>>> "A" stood for) was alive at that time, as was an informal group of computer 
>>> contractors/consultants.
>>> 
>>> No, I'm not kidding, I didn't make it up. Scott Sherer was the Pres of 
>>> NaSPA and he retired and Radi Shurbaji (I think that was how he spelled it 
>>> -- we worked at Boole & Babbage about the same time) manged to become the 
>>> president and it then tried to be all things to all people and it 
>>> collapsed. (Mainframe, Windows, networking, etc. etc.)
>>> 
>>> RMPCP continued as a group (contractor/consultants) until Robert M. 
>>> Pritchett died.     Sigh.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/6/2026 11:02 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
>>>> The traditional solution to this problem is a trade union.
>>>> 
>>>> Just sayin'
>>>> 
>>>> Charles
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/5/2026 6:01 PM, Steve Beaver wrote:
>>>>> Tom. My point is if we all push back to
>>>>> the Indian recruiters for a sold month the point will get made. Most 
>>>>> recruiters constantly call even if you are working you push back and help 
>>>>> the community at large
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> No one said I could type with one thumb
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2026, at 18:52, Tom Brennan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok, I need a job to eat, but instead of eating at $60 an hour I'll hold 
>>>>>> out for $120.  The BMI chart says I'm just a smidge into the overweight 
>>>>>> category, so I should be ok for a couple of weeks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2/5/2026 11:09 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:
>>>>>>> If we ALL push back all at the same time recruiters and companies will 
>>>>>>> get the point
>>>>>> 
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