I noticed that no one has remarked about "Cosmetology" That is
the profession of hair dressing.
I'm assuming no one caught this and instead thought it was
Cosmology - the study of the Cosmos.
But, seriously, that is what NJ wanted to put us under, was the
hair dressers' board. And that was about the point the topic got
dropped.
And we were seriously trying to determine what one would have to
be tested on to be a certified ALC programmer, or COBOL, etc.
And how to certify one for understanding of MVS and then DOS/VSE,
and VM, etc.
We were ahead of these cert classes by several years.
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On 2/6/2026 11:30 AM, Steve Thompson wrote:
Yeah but we rejected that when the state of NJ decided that
systems programmers should fall under Cosmetology, while about
the same period Texas was pursuing those claiming to be
engineers that had not been granted such a legal title. This
involved IBM who had CEs (Customer Engineers), and the like.
NaSPA (National association of Systems programmers- can't
remember what the "A" stood for) was alive at that time, as was
an informal group of computer contractors/consultants.
No, I'm not kidding, I didn't make it up. Scott Sherer was the
Pres of NaSPA and he retired and Radi Shurbaji (I think that
was how he spelled it -- we worked at Boole & Babbage about the
same time) manged to become the president and it then tried to
be all things to all people and it collapsed. (Mainframe,
Windows, networking, etc. etc.)
RMPCP continued as a group (contractor/consultants) until
Robert M. Pritchett died. Sigh.
On 2/6/2026 11:02 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
The traditional solution to this problem is a trade union.
Just sayin'
Charles
On 2/5/2026 6:01 PM, Steve Beaver wrote:
Tom. My point is if we all push back to
the Indian recruiters for a sold month the point will get
made. Most recruiters constantly call even if you are working
you push back and help the community at large
Sent from my iPhone
No one said I could type with one thumb
On Feb 5, 2026, at 18:52, Tom
Brennan<[email protected]> wrote:
Ok, I need a job to eat, but instead of eating at $60 an
hour I'll hold out for $120. The BMI chart says I'm just a
smidge into the overweight category, so I should be ok for a
couple of weeks.
On 2/5/2026 11:09 AM, Steve Beaver wrote:
If we ALL push back all at the same time recruiters and
companies will get the point
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