I caught it, knew what it was. I figured hey, it's NJ, cosmetology is probably mob-run, so makes sense. /s
-----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Friday, February 6, 2026 2:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] mainframe skills - was cross posted -- UPDATE I noticed that no one has remarked about "Cosmetology" That is the profession of hair dressing. I'm assuming no one caught this and instead thought it was Cosmology - the study of the Cosmos. But, seriously, that is what NJ wanted to put us under, was the hair dressers' board. And that was about the point the topic got dropped. And we were seriously trying to determine what one would have to be tested on to be a certified ALC programmer, or COBOL, etc. And how to certify one for understanding of MVS and then DOS/VSE, and VM, etc. We were ahead of these cert classes by several years. ------------------------------- On 2/6/2026 11:30 AM, Steve Thompson wrote: > Yeah but we rejected that when the state of NJ decided that systems > programmers should fall under Cosmetology, while about the same period > Texas was pursuing those claiming to be engineers that had not been > granted such a legal title. This involved IBM who had CEs (Customer > Engineers), and the like. > > NaSPA (National association of Systems programmers- can't remember > what the "A" stood for) was alive at that time, as was an informal > group of computer contractors/consultants. > > No, I'm not kidding, I didn't make it up. Scott Sherer was the Pres of > NaSPA and he retired and Radi Shurbaji (I think that was how he > spelled it -- we worked at Boole & Babbage about the same time) manged > to become the president and it then tried to be all things to all > people and it collapsed. (Mainframe, Windows, networking, etc. etc.) > > RMPCP continued as a group (contractor/consultants) until Robert M. > Pritchett died. Sigh. > > > > On 2/6/2026 11:02 AM, Charles Mills wrote: >> The traditional solution to this problem is a trade union. >> >> Just sayin' >> >> Charles >> >> On 2/5/2026 6:01 PM, Steve Beaver wrote: >>> Tom. My point is if we all push back to the Indian recruiters for a >>> sold month the point will get made. Most recruiters constantly call >>> even if you are working you push back and help the community at >>> large >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> No one said I could type with one thumb >>> >>>> On Feb 5, 2026, at 18:52, Tom >>>> Brennan<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok, I need a job to eat, but instead of eating at $60 an hour I'll >>>> hold out for $120. The BMI chart says I'm just a smidge into the >>>> overweight category, so I should be ok for a couple of weeks. >>>> >>>>> On 2/5/2026 11:09 AM, Steve Beaver wrote: >>>>> If we ALL push back all at the same time recruiters and companies >>>>> will get the point >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --- >>>> >>>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>> send email [email protected] with the message: INFO >>>> IBM-MAIN >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>> >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send >>> email [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Regards, Steve Thompson MaGA: Make Mainframes Great Again: Mainframes were doing Cloud before "Cloud" was a thing. Java, scripting, HA, MQ, Linux, client-server... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
