Maybe we can get a Windoze version of CMS to do developement... Dear Santa .......
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM, McKown, John < john.mck...@healthmarkets.com> wrote: > I realize this isn't really a fair comment, but I'll say it anyway. It's > why the z is going down the toilet so far as number of installations are > concerned. There is no way for "poor techies" to contribute to the z > ecosystem any more. Companies, such as the one I work for, don't want > employees "wasting time and money" on the z (in my case using MSUs for "non > productive" work. MSUs cost real money.). I definitely cannot afford a z > development system of my own (and zPDT is so encumbered that it is not for > "poor techies" like me). And people wonder why Intel is taking over the > world with their less advanced architecture? The only "z" machine I can > afford is Hercule-390. And I can't get a z/VM or any other z licensed OS on > that platform. I know why, but still. So, for "techie fun", I use > Linux/Intel. I can afford it. Wish it were otherwise. But IBM's apparent > attitude appears to be: "If IBM can't make some money directly from you, > then you can just go somewhere else." So I have. > > -- > John McKown > Systems Engineer IV > IT > > Administrative Services Group > > HealthMarkets(r) > > 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 > (817) 255-3225 phone * > john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * > www.HealthMarkets.com<http://www.healthmarkets.com/> > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or > proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and > issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake > Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of > TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:37 PM > > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Subject: Re: Mandatory ESMs? > > > > On Monday, 12/13/2010 at 11:12 EST, Dave Jones > > <d...@vsoft-software.com> > > wrote: > > > As far as getting the new z/OS PL/I compiler over to z/VM, > > I'd be happy > > > if IBM just offered it unsupported on CMS, with only a short bit of > > > documentation noting the differences between usage in the > > z/OS and CMS > > > environments, much like what IBM now does with the z/OS > > C/C++ port to > > CMS. > > > > > > Any problems with the compiler would have to be recreated > > on z/OS before > > > IBM would take an APAR. I think that this approach might help make a > > > business case, as it would cut down on IBM's up front costs > > significantly. > > > > Cost avoidance does not a business case make. Business cases > > are made > > based on projected sales and profitability, and that business case is > > weighed against others vying for the same resources. > > > > And as you know, IBM doesn't offer "experimental" licenses > > such as you > > describe. A product either goes out the door as a supported > > product, or > > it doesn't go at all. Occasionally IBM does offer beta > > programs that are > > similar to what you describe, but those are within the > > context of having > > intent to release a fully supported product. After all, it > > takes manpower > > to create unsupported programs, too. > > > > That's just The Way Things Are. > > > > Alan Altmark > > > > z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant > > IBM System Lab Services and Training > > ibm.com/systems/services/labservices > > office: 607.429.3323 > > alan_altm...@us.ibm.com > > IBM Endicott > > > > >
