. None of my friends ride treeless and it is because they say it isn't secure enough for them, won't even try it when I have made the offer. I think they have felt the same insecurity that I have on my draft and they don't want to lose that control or the appearance of it. Jeannette >
thanks jeannette, that was very helpful. I am going to try the arena thing. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
