>> The last time I checked a crupper and a breast collar were two different things
Correct. Breast collar attaches to the front of your saddle, crupper at the rear. Neither shoyld be used to stablize a saddle! They are there...as security measures...should your saddle start to slide going up or down a grade, or a breast collar....should your girth break, it will prevent the saddle from ending up under a horse's stomach. IMHO...iIf you need a breast collar or crupper to stablize a saddle for mounting or riding, then you need to find a saddle that fit your horse. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.