On 3 Jun 2025, at 15:06, Dave Crocker wrote:
On 6/3/2025 12:58 PM, Pete Resnick wrote:
On 3 Jun 2025, at 12:20, Bron Gondwana wrote:
I believe you are in the rough in your belief that there needs to be
that goal.
I believe the chairs can make the call on whether or not rough
consensus exists once when enough discussion has been had.
Oh boy.
People are allowed to make their personal assertions about the
discussion.
In fact, there are no rules against this, other than assertions that
cross over to abuse. And this certainly wasn't that.
And while it's both unusual and appreciated to see wg management
worried about, and responsive to, the possibility of exceeding what is
acceptable, it really is important for wg management to be wery, wery
caweful about when to fire a management bullet.
Oh boy indeed. If that was a bullet, I worry what will be assessed a
bomb.
I believe Murray and I can tie our own shoelaces.
People are certainly allowed to make their personal assertions about the
discussion. But directing such assertions personally ("I believe *you*
are in the rough in *your* belief") is exceedingly unlikely to be
helpful to moving the discussion forward. In this particular case,
saying so after precisely 1 message on the list and limited prior
discussion only serves to discourage further discussion; aside from not
needing senior members of the community insinuating that the discussion
is over and not worth talking about anymore, we also don't need senior
members of the community directing their comments personally, indicating
that this is somehow the way we operate.
(And Bron did not say it in a wildly aggressive way, which is why I made
my comment in what I believe was a gentle way, metaphors
notwithstanding.)
Bron's wrong in his assessment -- and, of course, IMO wrong in his
reasoning...
And having this argument also adds nothing. Bron may turn out to be
right in his assessment and reasoning, at least as far as the consensus
of the group is concerned, but really it doesn't matter to the
discussion whether it's Bron's assessment/reasoning or Dave's
assessment/reasoning, and directing such comments personally only serves
to deter others from joining the discussion.
-- but not wrong in being able to assert it.
Asserting it in the way that he did wasn't ideal.
pr
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