On Nov 14, 2007 4:50 AM, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:23:53 +0530, Kazim Zaidi > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > On 13-Nov-07, at 8:13 PM, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> > Could you please elaborate? Do you have specifics in mind > >> > where Debian is either "purist friendly" or not "user friendly", but > a > >> > Debian derivative has markedly different behaviour? > > > Well, my ignorance doesn't allow me to participate in a flamewar here. > > I am sorry to not be able to help you out here. My desire is to > have a dialogue, not to engage in flame wars, so if it is a flame you > desire, you have to look elsewhere. Why _would_ you prefer us to flame > each other, though, out of curiosity? > > > But the point that I want to convey was that Ubuntu & Debian have very > > different goals. Ubuntu insists on user-friendliness and targets > > desktop users primarily, while Debian would aim for stability and > > originality. > > Your claims about the target for Debian come as a surprise to > me. I have always thought that the goal of Debian was to be the best > distribution of Linux ever, and sacrificing user friendliness seems to > be contrary to that goal. > > Could you please show me where Debian says it strives solely for > stability and originality, at the expense of other characteristics? > Perhaps I am missing out on something here. > > > In particular read here http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/56 > > Mark is a fairly new Debian developer, so I would not place a > great deal of faith in his articulation of what Debian's goals > are. Indeed, canonical's financial success derives from peoples belief > that somehow canonical's product line is better than Debian, so ... > > As he confesses in that article, he does not really have a good > handle on what the goals of Debian are. I am there fore overjoyed to > hear that you have an idea on what Debian wants to do. > > Could you please elaborate, perhaps from the writings of someone > who knows Debian better, what you think Debian's goals are? I know a > lot of people who would be very interested. > > manoj > -- > Q: How many IBM CPU's does it take to execute a job? A: Four; three to > hold it down, and one to rip its head off. > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/> > 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C > > > _______________________________________________ > ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 > Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ > > This is what i consider as flame wars. But what i think Kazim was trying to say was not actually what it seems, i myself is a Debian user from a long time, its not like defending someone, but why we don't look at small facts, like, > I need to configure glx before i can run any 3D desktop client. > I need to edit ALSA configuration to have my system defaults its sound to software mixer, which is preconfigured in ubuntu. > I need to install everything in text mode. (does anyone think a novice user had a dream the night before he installed debain, to give "installgui" at the boot prompt) > I myself need to edit sources.list, <defaults to an empty file in debian> to get aptitude working. > Its the end of 2007, and i still log in for the first time in the traditional old gnome theme. Same with other desktop environments. > One needs to download or what i did, steal bash_completion to get the better environment support. // And many of hue and tricks, which are there in distros like fedora and ubuntu...
Are these things justified for a person just starting his journey of GNU/Linux. And answer yourself, how many of power users you have seen, recommending Debian for novices? Yes its true that Debian is providing a real stable system, but i don't think its doing much in terms of user-friendliness, what other trends are driving Linux to.... Anyhow, this is my personal opinion, maybe they want a raw distro! -- Shamail Tayyab shamail [at] inbox.com 4 2 3 2 4 9 9 9 9 9 - 1 9 + (right to left without spaces) <<Bringing Linux and Mobiles one step closer>> Blog at: http://tuxatwork.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/