On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Nalin Savara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Chirag Anand <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > I could not agree with Prakhar more... :) > > > > The points he has put up, are the things that we face in our colleges > > everyday, we see it happening but still we cant do anything about it. > Like > > faculty using windoz, some of them do not even know what Linux is. They > are > > teaching students windoz softwares. They are still using the good-old DOS > > based turbo c++ compiler (18 yrs old). > > > > Buddy-- it's about learning to be a engineer- and a solid engineer-- the > important thing is that the teachers run you through examples- and transmit > their own c/c++ knowledge to you. > > It's not just the 18 year old compiler--- it is also the sorting algorithms > (atleast 30-40 years old) and the concepts like dynamic programming, branch > and bound and recursion (maybe 40+ years old). My point here was not about the basics and concepts but the fact that turbo c++ 3.0 compiler does not even include the Standard Template Library which g++ has. The point here being, that why are we using an 18 year old compiler when we can use the latest one. It's like still using the 0.01 version of Linux kernel. There must have been a need for change that we are using kernel version 2.6. I hope you get my point. > If a teacher shows you awesome gadgets and interfaces-- but doesnt > strengthen your basics-- he is doing you a big dis-service-- even though > you > may think "me religion FOSS; teacher religion also FOSS". > Well, i think, basics can be learnt from new gadgets/interfaces as well. And i'm not blaming the teacher for not teaching me the basics but the fact that there are many new things/technologies in the world which should also be taught to us. > A teacher's job is to use the tools he knows-- to transmit maximum of his > knowledge to you (his students)-- you need to respect your teachers-- even > if their choices of tools differ from yours. I respect my teachers for their knowledge not for the tools they use. It is my opinion as a student that we should also be a part of the evolution... When everything is changing, why shouldn't we? > You know-- it's also about whether you come accross as someone who wants to > rise to the top of the ecosystem-- OR whether you are just another kid who > wants something to cling on to-- and kick others around. > > Probably you are well-intentioned-- and you want to pursue excellence-- but > just wanting is not enough-- your actions must convey that-- because > actions > speak louder than words. > > If your actions differ from your words-- and your actions highlight a basic > disrespect for knowledge; a sense of indiscipline and a lack of willingness > to see the big picture view--- then anyone in a position of authority will > either recruit you as a foot-soldier (testing / maintainence/ non-high > level > opening/ unimportant promoter of commercial product) OR they will ignore > you > (2500 candidates for 20 seats). Well, talking about my actions, I am one of the core members of my college's LUG. Please see this link: http://techfreaks4u.com/blog/?p=615 (blog post of our install fest, held on 9th November, 2008). Our official blog is at www.techfreaks4u.com/blog and our google group link is: http://groups.google.co.in/group/juit-linux-user-group And if you saw carefully, I am one of the posters at http://groups.google.co.in/group/JIITUstudentforum/browse_thread/thread/f0f9ad1c92225156(link which Prakhar posted), even though I do not study in that college. Its a sister institute. And anything that is planned, its for both colleges simultaneously. buddy, see my comment to the point above. > Remember-- that to innovate, you need to respect knowledge and display > professionalism and a willingness to pursue technical excellence at all > costs. I am just not able to figure out, what made you think that i'm disrespecting knowledge? > > > > > companies coming to our campuses. It is not our fault...that FOSS > companies > > do not come on our door. > > buddy-- see my next mail. > > > > Talking about off-campus jobs...everyone knows what > > happens there. > > Some 2500 people turn to give interviews for a vacancy of > > just 10-20. And i have seen it, written test papers are not even > corrected > > fairly. Do you think, you can find some 10-20 deserving candidates out of > > 2500 in just 10 hours (max). > > > This may be a good conversation topic-- but it's not a reflection of > reality-- especially not if you have a skillset that puts you in the top 5% > of programmers-- and practically, if you know gcc, can use unix shell > scripts; recompile the kernel etc... chances are you are better equipped > than most to pursue the path to the top. > > Please also see my next mail. > > > > > > > > Can you tell me, that so many FOSS companies are here on this mailing > list > > but why you do not come to campuses?? Or why you do not take freshers (i > > may > > be wrong here), but i have seen job openings in LFY...not a single > opening > > for freshers. Please tell me, where do we go (FOSS students) for gaining > > some experience? > > > Buddy, if one is hiring freshers-- one needs to be very sure of their > skill-sets and level of discipline to work in a team. To you it may seem > like a exercise of personal taste-- but spelling mistakes "windoz" OR > "oppurtunity" and a possible disrespect for knowledge-- do not reflect well > on one as a professional. > I'm sorry for my spelling mistakes. But I'm not disrespecting knowledge with that and especially not being unprofessional. Its an unintentional mistake. > It is a matter of choice for you-- but if you choose to be highly > professional-- and committed to your own technical excellence--- companies > will queue up to you. > > But if one gets a "know it all" kind of guy who refuses to understand the > work at hand-- and insists on criticizing and trying to force his way > through--- then anyone-- especially a hiring manager has good reason to be > afraid-- and to prefer someone with atleast 1-2 years of experience-- who > understands what is good and what is bad. I think i'm potraying a wrong image of myself here. I was just saying that some things need to be changed. As i have also mentioned it above. After all, life is all about learning new things. :). I think some criticism is necessary for that change. And i know what needs to be done (the work at hand) and i have put in every effort for it. > > > Ultimately, even if we go to companies like tcs, infy etc. > > we wont be getting any FOSS exposure there. Does that make me eligible > for > > a > > placement in a FOSS company? Just becuase, we have been promoting > > FOSS/Linux > > in our colleges and have contributed something to FOSS and advocating and > > fighting for it, make us good enough for your firm? Do we even have an > > oppurtunity to realise our dreams? > > > > this statement of yours is wrong-- even TCS and Infy need and have many > great Linux/Unix guys--- but you need to be disciplined; professional and > technically solid. Thanks for this information here. I did not know that. I must have believed the rumours. -- Regards Chirag Anand 4th Year, B.Tech Computer Science Department, JUIT Solan Blog :http://techfreaks4u.com/blog Linux User: 476783 anything weird is worth a try... _______________________________________________ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
