----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Tanner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 10:39 AM
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Mac's suck ?
> Ok...My turn to chime up....>grin<
>
> Mac: Best desktop publishing machine you can buy. Nothing in the i386
world
> even compares.
> Amiga: Best audio and video processing machine you can buy short of an HP
or
> Silicon Graphics machine.
> i386 PC: Best general purpose machine you can buy. Far more versatile
than
> the others.
>
> I say it all depends on what you want to do. I've been a computer
> professional since 1986. I am Mac service certified amongst all of the
> other certifications I hold. Up until about 1996 I was strictly a
break/fix
> technician, then I switched over to network engineering.
>
> Now on to the OS "war" that I sense brewing.
>
> Mac OS: Best beginner OS you can find.
> Win9x: Most versatile beginner OS you can find.
> WinNT: Most secure desktop OS. Sorry guys. Linux and BSD aren't ready
for
> desktop deployment in a large scale YET. They're getting there.
> WinNT Server: Best network authentication OS you can find for the money.
> Netware: Best file servers you can get.
> Unix/Linux/BSD: Best Internet ready OS. For use with Web servers, e-mail
> servers, DNS servers, network appliances. Sorry. Even as an MCSE, NT
just
> isn't ready to be a major Internet server player yet.
>
> My two cents.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Chambers
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 11:12 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Mac's suck ?
>
>
> The only good MAC is a mac with Linux installed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Angel Castillo
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 6:57 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Mac's suck ?
>
>
> Ok, we'll continue this thread since people don't know when to quit :-)
>
> Jose,
>
> You said "Macs are excellent machines, and if it were not for Apple
> Microsoft would probably have never developed Windows."
>
> I agree that Mac's have their advantages or shall I say Pro's as well as
> Con's just like any system does but if it wasn't for Xerox the Mac would
> have never been invented. Second of all, if it wasn't for
Microsoft...Apple
> wouldn't be making money on their apps or probably wouldn't even be in
> business. In case you didn't know...Microsoft is the biggest make of
> applications for the Mac OS...so Go Figure!
>
> You said "That was only because I was too afraid to admit that as simple
as
> the OS is I did not know how to troubleshoot them well."
>
> Well, I'm speaking from experience because I did begin my IT career
> troubleshooting Mac's & PC's for major ISP's like CompuServe &
Southwestern
> Bell Internet and Mac's aren't as easy as you say they are. In fact, it's
> easier to get into the guts of a PC vs. Mac. Mac's are idiot proof that's
> why they grabbed a huge chunk of the Education market. That's a good
thing
> but can also be a bad thing because us knowledgeable IT professionals
would
> rather fix the computer ourselves first before having to call Apple for
> support.
>
> Just because Unix Admins that you know like Mac's doesn't mean they all
> do...who cares anyway? I don't like Unix, so it doesn't matter to me what
> Unix Admins like or don't like...to each his own. I like Cisco products
but
> I don't care if they prefer Mac's or were built on Mac technology to begin
> with....good for them, but it still doesn't do anything for me :-)
>
> Yeah, I know NT, Novell, & Mac but just because I don't have a greater
> variety of OS's that I like to deal with doesn't mean I'm any better than
> another IT professional who does...it's all about preference.
>
> You said: "Cisco Systems was founded on MACS and was only a MAC and UNIX
> house until the release of Windows 95."
>
> YEAH RIGHT...where do you get your info from? Windows 3.x blew away Mac
> market share since it's release...and you think it was a Mac & Unix
dominant
> world until Windows 95? What rock was you under when all this
> happened?...ha ha
>
> You said: "I hope that we all look at ourselves closely and determine the
> real reason why we choose to cast stones."
>
> I have one thought....then practice what you preach and don't cast stones
on
> what started out ONLY as a joke when I said "Mac's suck".
>
> ***This thread is officially done with since I started it...you want to
> continue then e-mail me directly....it's no big deal***
>
> -------------------------------------
> Angel Castillo, MCSE, MCP+I
> MIS Dept. Jobs.com
> IMail System Administrator
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (214) 273-7629
> "When you love what you do...you're alive!"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jose Medeiros
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 1:53 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Mac's suck ?
> Importance: High
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angel Castillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > No, not all people in IS suck but some do :-)...but nothing compares to
> how
> > Mac's suck!...ha ha
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> Okay I have to give my two cents..
>
> Lets all try and understand one thing. Macs are excellent machines, and
if
> it were not for Apple
> Microsoft would probably have never developed Windows.
> When I was a jr. Systems Administrator and all I new well was NT,
> I thought that Macs sucked too. That was only becuase I was too afraid
> to admit that as simple as the OS is I did not know how to troubleshoot
them
> well.
> Over the years I have come to appreacuiate there ease.
> Many of the Unix Sytems Administrators I had the pleasure of
> working with at Cisco Systems ( They are the best and brightest ) own
Macs
> and love them but hate Microsoft Windows.
> Cisco Systems was founded on MACS and was only a MAC and UNIX house until
> the release of Windows 95.
>
> I also disliked Solaris and Linux at first, but it was only because I knew
> both OS's very little.
> I now have come to the conclusion that all OS's have Advantages and
> Disadvanteges and I have learned to
> respect and appreaciate all of them.
>
> I hope that we all look at ourselfes closely and determine the real reason
> why we choose to cast stones.
>
> BTW: I was formally at VA Linux before Cisco Systems.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jose Medeiros
> WWW.NTEA.NET
> MCSE, MCP+I, MCT
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angel Castillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > No, not all people in IS suck but some do :-)...but nothing compares to
> how
> > Mac's suck!...ha ha
> >
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