Good point and thanks for clarifying the ORBZ issue. The "Joe the Lawyer" post I thought was originally referencing blocking e-mail and which was not legal. I was mixing the 2 incidents/issues and stand corrected. I feel the same regardless about the Spam issues raised, especially since e-mail accounts are not identified as a child vs. adult.
Don > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:IMail_Forum- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Christopher Ulrich > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] ORBZ shut down > > > >He apparently does not agree with filtering e-mail for Spam. Does he > agree > >that it is right for un-solicited Porn to be received by children or > >anyone for that matter? If he does agree, then how is this different > >from un-solicited e-mail for Time-Share travel, Life Insurance, and the > >next get rich quick scam? > > There is a HUGE difference legally when you are dealing with children. > > >Sorry to be so verbose, but it just ticks me off what I am seeing > >happening and those who are responsible sending Spam and then actually > >believing they should have the God given right to do so. > > No problem! But remember - the suit doesn't have to do with SPAM. > It has to do with the DOS attack against people's servers from ORBZ. > That's the difference in this case. The press talks about it in terms of > SPAM and ANTI-SPAM, but it is really a DOS attack based on a > software bug AND the continued intentional use of the software with > the bug after the bug was found and not fixed. That - the knowing > crashing > of other people's servers - is the basis of the action (and possible > criminal > action), and has nothing to do with SPAM > > The rest is "spin" to sell newspapers.... But don't get me started on the > media... : ) > > Chris > > > > >Don S. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom > > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:59 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ - More info > > > > > > > > > > Ahh... my 2 cents anyway. I just feel no one has the right to send > >me > > > > crap I did not ask for, especially PORN solicitations into my > >children's > > > > e-mail box. Perhaps I am wrong legally as it relates to free rights > >and > > > > e-mail solicitations, but the PORN solicitation alone is enough to > >keep > > > > me fighting for my rights to block SPAM. > > > > > > Another way to look at things would be to check out the court cases > >where > > > Corporations have sued their employees for misuse of e-mail. > > > > > > In any case if it is your system you can do whatever you want with it. > > > If the customers don't like it, too bad! You own it, you paid for it, > > > and you maintain it. It's that simple! > > > > > > What does this mean? If you write an e-mail to a friend your BOSS, > >the > > > or ISP (owner of the equipment) has the right to view it. Just like > >the > > > FBI and CIA. This is why we stress the use of PGP! > > > > > > Anyway, just my 2 cents! > > > > > > PS: Don't reply to me if you want to argue, I just wanted to give > > > another view point. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Tom > > > --- > > > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > > > (http://www.declude.com)] > > > > > > --- > > > > > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > > > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web > > > site at http://www.declude.com . > > > ---------- > > > [This e-mail scanned by CompBiz for Viruses. http://www.CompBiz.Net] > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:IMail_Forum- > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Len Conrad > > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:37 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] ORBZ shut down > > > > > > > > > >This is just another case of "if you block it you are liable". This > >guy > > > is > > > >apparently going to have criminal charges brought against him. That > > > should > > > >be a major wake up call for any of you blocking messages! > > > > > > I'm well awake. I will continue blocking messages for whatever > >reasons I > > > want. AND, I sleep better knowing IMGate will catch the crap before > >it > > > hits my mailbox server. > > > > > > But, it would be a LOT easier (less false positives) if total > >nincompoop, > > > air-head admins, eg: Battle Creek lady who is trying to cover her > > > incompetent @ss with this lawyering BS, would set up their mail > >servers > > > and > > > DNS's correctly, and run current software. > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training > > > http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND for NT4 & W2K > > > http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail > >gateways > > > > > > > > > Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > > > to be removed from this list. > > > > > > An Archive of this list is available at: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > > > > > Please visit the Knowledge Base for answers to frequently asked > > > questions: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > ---------- > > > [This e-mail scanned by CompBiz for Viruses. http://www.CompBiz.Net] > > > > > > > >Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > >to be removed from this list. > > > >An Archive of this list is available at: > >http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > > >Please visit the Knowledge Base for answers to frequently asked > >questions: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > to be removed from this list. > > An Archive of this list is available at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > Please visit the Knowledge Base for answers to frequently asked > questions: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > ---------- > [This e-mail scanned by CompBiz for Viruses. http://www.CompBiz.Net] Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html to be removed from this list. 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