I'm open to a better way.  We don't bounce it, but what we do do is
basically the same thing.  We use the Info Manager and Rules so that
when an e-mail is flagged as spam (checking the header for
X-IMail-Spam), we move it to a sub-folder for that user called "Spam."
Then, and only for one client, we use the Info Manager to send an e-mail
to sender that it was caught.  

I've looked into MXGuard, Message Sniffer, & Declude.  Declude seams to
be the better solution, but it's a little expensive.  Our ISP division
is still small; we only push on average 8,000 e-mails a day.  The
problem we have now is that we have almost all the options turned on in
IMail Anti-Spam but a ton still gets through.  The Outlook 2003 Junk
Mail Filter seams to be doing a better job then IMail Anti-Spam.  The
other thing is that we want to let our customers administrator there own
anti-spam settings; this isn't a deal-breaker, but customers like it.  

I'm completely open to a better solution.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
Langsenkamp
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 12:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Poll: Which method do you use to verify if a
message is not spam?

NO NO NO

Please don't do this - all you're doing is making tons of junk mail to
forged senders that had nothing to do with the original
message.  This is an awful practice.  Just as bad as after-the-fact
virus notifications for the same reason.  If you can't reject it
at the SMTP session you've got to just eat it and tell the recipient or
silently discard.  Don't use the bounce setting on any
rules: you'll do more harm than good and help propogate the junk worse,
and become a backdoor relay by junk senders 'bouncing' mail
through you to other targets.

Chris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Anthony Polselli
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 2:33 PM
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Poll: Which method do you use to verify if a
message is not spam?


Both A, B, & C result in a lot of false positives.  So what we've done
is for a few clients that want those enabled, we have an e-mail
automatically generated and sent back to the sender letting them know
that there e-mail was blocked by anti-spam and to contact the customer
to have there e-mail address white listed.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geza Levai
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [IMail Forum] Poll: Which method do you use to verify if a
message is not spam?

I am trying to reduce the number of spam email that is reaching our firm

and decided to use at least one verification method.

I am not sure what methods out of the following three is safe to use:

A - Verify MAIL FROM address
B - Perform reverse DNS lookup for connecting server
C - Verify HELO/EHLO domain
D - Neither of them

What I mean under "safe" is, that results the least amount of false
positives.

I decided to do a poll in this group and at the end of the poll I will
share the result with all of you.

If you want to participate in this poll, just simply send an email to
the
following email address:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

and in the subject line of the message please indicate which valid email

verification you use out of the 4.

(this is just a temporary email account, that I created for this
purpose, I
will delete it at the end of this week, unless someone will come up with

other good ideas of doing a poll on.

To make my task easier, please write only the corresponding capital
letter(s) in the subject line, nothing else, and don't bother writing
anything in the body of the message because I will not bother opening
the
message.

Thanks,
Geza


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