Think about this for a moment.  If a spammer publishes SPF to assist in
delivering their spam, then they're sending through their own mail
servers....making it much easier to block them by IP!

Besides which, SPF Fail is the only criteria that should be given weight, as
it means that someone is sending through a mail server that should NOT,
according to SPF, be used.  Thus it is most likely a forgery (virus or
spam).

Darin.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:49 AM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] A Quick Note from the Ipswitch Executive
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IF the spammers publish SPF records, and the spam gets through, there's an
audit trail that allows legal remedies. That's not a problem (unless
spammers are overseas - That's not gonna' happen<g>, Yeah, right). But
overseas spammers are far simpler to blacklist for a lot of us.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ted Galerneau
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:13 PM
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It's also possible that spammers will also create a new SPF of their own
until they are caught them create another. However, unless I really don't
understand the dynamics of it all, at least SPF has the promise of getting
this spam issue under control a whole lot faster, and probably more likely
to keep it that way.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Clausen
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 2:57 PM
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] A Quick Note from the Ipswitch Executive
Team


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 14:35
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] A Quick Note from the Ipswitch Executive
Team


> Yes, but there's 56 domains reporting Caller-ID. You can't count them
> out<g>.

All things being equal, I'd say that SPF has become the defacto standard.
Even if Microsoft manages to pull one off here (which I doubt, as I'm sure
their position on releasing it without anchors to sink open source), it's so
far behind in the game that I can't see it being anything but a bit player.
They screwed themselves by trying to be a**holes to the open source crowd,
and to all those who didn't want to have one of the key areas of Internet
architecture locked into by a certain gang in Redmond, Washington.

Between SPF, ISPs blocking outgoing port 25 traffic to all but MTAs,
greylisting, anti-spam software like Declue and vigorous blackholing of the
few "legitimate' spammers out there, I think the marginalization of spam is
probably forseeable in the next two or three years.  My feeling is that MS
trying to push Sender ID through is just an example of closing the barn door
after the cows have come home.

--
A. Clausen


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