But this is so much fun!!!
----- Original Message ----- From: "x" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:32 Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] OT: Need to Vent - SPF > Don't take this the wrong way guys but you really need to move on. > > It was very clear what type of company Ipswitch has become when they > pulled what they did recently. They came out with a bogus bandaid > solution hoping to save face just a little. However, it was obvious the > company structure didn't change. > > But this is all known at this point. You either choose to do business > with them or you move on. Complaining on the list isn't going to do any > good. > > There are plenty of solutions out there that blow IMail away so either > accept Ipswitch for what they are now or take your money elsewhere. > > No, I am not taking up for Ipswitch, I am just stating that the writing > on the wall is clear. > > > Jeffery Rehm wrote: > > Forgive me for saying so, but any company that does business on a > > case-by-case basis scares me. My guess is that Ipswitch will not work with > > you unless you are going to make them a substantial amount of cash. In > > other words, I'm thinking if you are not planning on purchasing a large > > number of IMail standalones, the SA to go with them and maybe even an > > agreement to upgrade to ICS at some point down the road, Ipswitch is going > > to tell you "don't let the door hit you in the ass". > > > > Reason I believe this is due to the fact I was in somewhat of a bantering > > session over this exact thing the other day and the Ipswitch person involved > > only wanted to know how much business I've done with Ipswitch. This, in my > > mind, supports my theory. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jill Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:07 > > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] OT: Need to Vent - SPF > > > > > > > >>Hi David, > >> > >>These are the types of questions that we wish to take on a case-by-case > >>basis. Everyone's situation is different and we do not want to make a > >>blanket statement as policy to address these. I realize that this does > > > > not > > > >>answer the questions you have asked below, if you have specific cases that > >>require answers and/or quotes, please call your reseller or customer > >>service/Sales. > >> > >>Best regards, > >>Jill > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Gregg > >>Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:50 AM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] OT: Need to Vent - SPF > >> > >>Jill, > >> > >>I appreciate the position you are in but really need to get answers to the > >>following: > >>1) Can IMail owners, regardless of SA status, buy additional licenses for > >>their own company? > >>2) Can IMail owners, regardless of SA status, buy new licenses for their > >>clients' companies? > >>3) Can a non-IMail owner contract Ipswitch and purchase the stand-alone > >>product? > >> > >>and finally.. > >>4) what is the cost for each of the above 'case by case' scenarios? > >> > >>Thanks again for your attention to this matter. > >> > >>Regards, > >> > >>David Gregg > >>dgSoft Internet Services > >>+1.949.584-1514 > >> > >>--- > >>mxGuard for IMail > >>Adds anti-spam *and* anti-virus capabilities to your IMail server. > >>$99 unlimited domains/users. No service agreements. > >> > >>Download and install a free trial version today. > >>http://www.mxGuard.com/Postmaster/FreeTrial.asp > >>--- > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Jill Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:37 AM > >>Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] OT: Need to Vent - SPF > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hi David, > >>> > >>>We have stated that any customer looking to purchase stand-alone IMail > >>>should call us and we will consider each situation. > >>> > >>>Jill > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Gregg > >>>Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:28 AM > >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] OT: Need to Vent - SPF > >>> > >>>Hi Jill, > >>> > >>>I've seen multiple posts from Ipswitch staff indicating support for > >>>existing > >>> > >>>customers (i.e. SA are available). What I have not seen is a definitive > >>>statement on whether or not the stand-alone product can be purchased and > >>>if > >>>so, what the price will be. > >>> > >>>Please advise... > >>> > >>>Regards, > >>> > >>>David Gregg > >>>dgSoft Internet Services > >>>+1.949.584-1514 > >>> > >>>--- > >>>mxGuard for IMail > >>>Adds anti-spam *and* anti-virus capabilities to your IMail server. > >>>$99 unlimited domains/users. No service agreements. > >>> > >>>Download and install a free trial version today. > >>>http://www.mxGuard.com/Postmaster/FreeTrial.asp > >>>--- > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Jill Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:36 AM > >>>Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] OT: Need to Vent - SPF > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hi All, > >>>> > >>>>I believe that we have made it clear on a number of occasions that we > >>>>intend > >>>>to enhance and support the core IMail product as it is central to ICS. > >>>>Features like SPF will absolutely be added to IMail and will be > > > > available > > > >>>>to > >>>>those users who have IMail Service Agreements. > >>>> > >>>>Best regards, > >>>>Jill > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Galerneau > >>>>Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 5:11 PM > >>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] OT: Need to Vent > >>>> > >>>>I know exactly what you mean Darin, and you could be totally right. > > > > Dang, > > > >>>>I > >>>>hate it whenever I am undecided about something and feel like I don't > >>>>want > >>>>to move forwards until it's solved. > >>>> > >>>>I could easily just buy Declude and hang in here, but the fact that > > > > some > > > >>>>of > >>>>the other email servers sell for less than the price of Declude pro and > >>>>some > >>>>others for less than the cost of Declude's yearly SA alone. Declude has > >>>>many > >>>>features you will not find in other email server offerings, however > > > > some > > > >>>>of > >>>>the other email servers don't have features that Declude with Imail > > > > has. > > > >>>>The > >>>>cost of a yearly SA for both Declude and Imail would easily pay for a > >>>>full > >>>>unlimited license of several different email server offerings that come > >>>>with > >>>>a year of support and upgrades. A subsequent upgrade SA from those > >>>>companies > >>>>is much less than it would be with IMail and Declude together and some > >>>>are > >>>>even less that the cost of a Declude SA. If a person is willing to deal > >>>>with > >>>>FreeBSD, there are some really powerful offerings out there for free. > >>>> > >>>>Ipswitch knows that we have a known stable product to work with and > > > > tons > > > >>>>of > >>>>support right here on this forum. Most other email servers are an > > > > unknown > > > >>>>to > >>>>us and don't have the support community that Imail does. I suspect that > >>>>is > >>>>part of their motivating factor for the new pricing scam. If you don't > >>>>pay > >>>>more for the SA, you would need to eventually buy ICS whenever > > > > something > > > >>>>breaks the Imail core and an upgrade is mandatory, which has happened > >>>>before > >>>>and will likely happen again in the future! > >>>> > >>>>The only other thing I have left to consider is about trust and ethics. > >>>>After all Ipswitch has done and their weak attempt to smooth things > > > > over, > > > >>>>there are new questions. Can we trust them to not bind any of the new > >>>>features that we need only to ICS and not the core? If they are greedy > >>>>enough to pull what they've already done on us, would they be greedy > >>>>enough > >>>>to do that? Take a feature like SPF for instance as they could easily > >>>>code > >>>>it to only work with ICS and not with just the core Imail, then give > > > > some > > > >>>>lame excuse about the way the code works not allowing them to do it > > > > that > > > >>>>way. I am not implying they would do this for sure, I am just saying > > > > they > > > >>>>could if they wanted to. I've said before and I will say again, once > >>>>corporate greed sets in, it spreads like a cancer! This is the real > >>>>reason > >>> > >>>>I > >>>>am having trouble deciding if I want to stay with IMail or what other > >>>>product to go with for our email needs. It's now more about ethics and > >>>>trust > >>>>to me that it is the money. If I wait and continue and use Imail in our > >>>>newest idea, it means that needing to change later could break what I > >>>>would > >>>>be building around Imail. It may be easier to just fix it now rather > > > > than > > > >>>>wait and gamble that Imail will do the right things from here on. > >>>> > >>>>What say you Ipswitch management? I believe this is the second time > > > > I've > > > >>>>asked for an official response about this possible issue. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox > >>>>Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 6:30 AM > >>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] OT: Need to Vent > >>>> > >>>>I really doubt this. It's very hard to get everyone to agree to new > >>>>standards, as all of the big players will be fighting for their own > >>>>agendas. > >>>>Take a look at what has happened to SPF as an example. > >>>><Snip> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > >>>>List Archive: > >>>>http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > >>>>Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > >>>>List Archive: > >>>>http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > >>>>Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > >>>List Archive: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > > >>>Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > >>> > >>> > >>>To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > >>>List Archive: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > > >>>Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > >>> > >> > >> > >>To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > >>List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > >>Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > >> > >> > >>To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > >>List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > >>Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/
