Good morning Sir A more elaborate discussion on cultivation and hybrids - http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/103/02/0178.pdf
Thank you Regards surajit On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:32 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Sir, > > Our market gives same result, attaching photographs. > These are all either *M. subangulata* ssp. *renigera*, or a hybrid form > as have been discussed in one of the links you provided in earlier > discussion - > http://www.academicjournals.org/ajar/fulltext/2011/4July/Bharathi%20et%20al.htm > . > > WILD & CULTIVATED > > I told, in my 1st post, that we have two KAKROL, one wild type and the > other found in markets. I made mistake because 1) i was (and am) rather > very novice 2) i found the plant in the wild. > > According to two or three local people the wilds have much bigger fruits > and can only be found in rural jungles. My sources are all searching! > > HYBRID? > > As for these fruits, sold in the markets, can it be a hybrid? Because at > least in one of my photos uploaded in the first > post<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/tmmOgn82pgg/uDu9GvDlx8cJ>shows > glands on the leaf margin at base. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Yesterday I photographed fruits sold in Delhi under the name Kakrol, the >> fruits are turning yellow as they mature, almost rounded at the flower end >> (not gradually narrowed) and important definitely longer than 5 cm, 5-7 cm >> long. >> >> >> I had earlier uploaded fruits of plant thought to be M. dioica >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20dioica/indiantreepix/ybpPnAow2X4/RGvr5zE5w9AJ >> >> Tanay suggested M. cochinchinensis, but perhaps my showing him true link >> of M. cochinchinensis he retracted (I now think my plant is M. renigera) >> In the same thread Balkar ji uploaded what looks like true M. dioica, >> with yellow flowers lacking dark corolla spots, smaller fruits (less than 5 >> cm long) distinctly narrowed towards flower end. >> >> Surajit ji uploaded a nicely illustrated plant without fruits, with >> clearly dark spotted corolla which could identify it with M. >> cochinchinensis or M. renigera >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20cochinchinensis/indiantreepix/tmmOgn82pgg/W_A0MT3Iv2cJ >> >> Surajit backed it up with another upload with flowers and fruits in >> different stages, and after I photographed fresh fruits two days back, I >> feel Surajit's plant resembles mine from Delhi market sold as kakrol. My >> fruits are broadly ovoid (not gradually narrowed like M. dioica) and 5-7 cm >> long. >> BOTH MY PLANT AS WELL AS ONE UPLOADED BY SURAJIT JI I FEEL IS M. RENIGERA >> NOW KNOWN AS M. SUBANGULATA SUBSP. RENIGERA >> >> The same seems to true of plant uploaded by Vijayasankar ji as M. >> cochinchinensis is also M. subangulata subsp. renigera. >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20cochinchinensis/indiantreepix/0iL7vLSVB2Y/JIn573UHyLkJ >> >> Perhaps you will agree with me if see real fruits of Gac fruit, M. >> cochinchinensis, with much larger fruits (10-15 cm in diam), yellow in >> colour finally turning red, with more spaced shorter but stronger spines. >> >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=120267&flora_id=2 >> >> http://www.edibleblog.com/gac-fruit-a-wonderful-fruit/ >> >> >> http://www.culturalembracebyapi.com/blog/2012/12/fathers-day-chiang-mai-and-exotic-fruits/ >> >> PERHAPS SOON SOME MEMBER WILL FIND AND UPLOAD M. COCHINCHINENSIS, THE GAC >> FRUIT AND REMOVE THE CONFUSION OF APPLYING NAME KAKROL TO IT. >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
