Thank you Sir, it's great to be part of eFI. Regards, surajit
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks to Surajit ji, we finally have it in our database > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Kakrol/indiantreepix/lSutUfvKQ5I/yCA9HJQrYYkJ > > It also removed our confusion between M. renigera and M. dioica. > > And Aarti ji located true fruits of M. dioica. Hope she uploads on the > group soon. > > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:25 AM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you Sir. I've found the paper just minutes ago, will read when i >> return in evening. >> >> A nice day to you all.... >> >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Yes Surajit ji >>> In fact it was this paper which clinched the issue of our plant not >>> being M. cochinchinensis rather M. subangulata subsp. renigera. I was about >>> to upload the paper. Thanks you sent the link. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:04 AM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Good morning Sir >>>> >>>> A more elaborate discussion on cultivation and hybrids - >>>> http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/103/02/0178.pdf >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:32 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sir, >>>>> >>>>> Our market gives same result, attaching photographs. >>>>> These are all either *M. subangulata* ssp. *renigera*, or a hybrid >>>>> form as have been discussed in one of the links you provided in earlier >>>>> discussion - >>>>> http://www.academicjournals.org/ajar/fulltext/2011/4July/Bharathi%20et%20al.htm >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> WILD & CULTIVATED >>>>> >>>>> I told, in my 1st post, that we have two KAKROL, one wild type and the >>>>> other found in markets. I made mistake because 1) i was (and am) rather >>>>> very novice 2) i found the plant in the wild. >>>>> >>>>> According to two or three local people the wilds have much bigger >>>>> fruits and can only be found in rural jungles. My sources are all >>>>> searching! >>>>> >>>>> HYBRID? >>>>> >>>>> As for these fruits, sold in the markets, can it be a hybrid? Because >>>>> at least in one of my photos uploaded in the first >>>>> post<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/tmmOgn82pgg/uDu9GvDlx8cJ>shows >>>>> glands on the leaf margin at base. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yesterday I photographed fruits sold in Delhi under the name Kakrol, >>>>>> the fruits are turning yellow as they mature, almost rounded at the >>>>>> flower >>>>>> end (not gradually narrowed) and important definitely longer than 5 cm, >>>>>> 5-7 >>>>>> cm long. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I had earlier uploaded fruits of plant thought to be M. dioica >>>>>> >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20dioica/indiantreepix/ybpPnAow2X4/RGvr5zE5w9AJ >>>>>> >>>>>> Tanay suggested M. cochinchinensis, but perhaps my showing him true >>>>>> link of M. cochinchinensis he retracted (I now think my plant is M. >>>>>> renigera) >>>>>> In the same thread Balkar ji uploaded what looks like true M. dioica, >>>>>> with yellow flowers lacking dark corolla spots, smaller fruits (less >>>>>> than 5 >>>>>> cm long) distinctly narrowed towards flower end. >>>>>> >>>>>> Surajit ji uploaded a nicely illustrated plant without fruits, with >>>>>> clearly dark spotted corolla which could identify it with M. >>>>>> cochinchinensis or M. renigera >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20cochinchinensis/indiantreepix/tmmOgn82pgg/W_A0MT3Iv2cJ >>>>>> >>>>>> Surajit backed it up with another upload with flowers and fruits in >>>>>> different stages, and after I photographed fresh fruits two days back, I >>>>>> feel Surajit's plant resembles mine from Delhi market sold as kakrol. My >>>>>> fruits are broadly ovoid (not gradually narrowed like M. dioica) and 5-7 >>>>>> cm >>>>>> long. >>>>>> BOTH MY PLANT AS WELL AS ONE UPLOADED BY SURAJIT JI I FEEL IS M. >>>>>> RENIGERA NOW KNOWN AS M. SUBANGULATA SUBSP. RENIGERA >>>>>> >>>>>> The same seems to true of plant uploaded by Vijayasankar ji as M. >>>>>> cochinchinensis is also M. subangulata subsp. renigera. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20cochinchinensis/indiantreepix/0iL7vLSVB2Y/JIn573UHyLkJ >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps you will agree with me if see real fruits of Gac fruit, M. >>>>>> cochinchinensis, with much larger fruits (10-15 cm in diam), yellow in >>>>>> colour finally turning red, with more spaced shorter but stronger spines. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=120267&flora_id=2 >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.edibleblog.com/gac-fruit-a-wonderful-fruit/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.culturalembracebyapi.com/blog/2012/12/fathers-day-chiang-mai-and-exotic-fruits/ >>>>>> >>>>>> PERHAPS SOON SOME MEMBER WILL FIND AND UPLOAD M. COCHINCHINENSIS, THE >>>>>> GAC FRUIT AND REMOVE THE CONFUSION OF APPLYING NAME KAKROL TO IT. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
