Thank you Sir. I've found the paper just minutes ago, will read when i return in evening.
A nice day to you all.... Regards surajit On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Surajit ji > In fact it was this paper which clinched the issue of our plant not being > M. cochinchinensis rather M. subangulata subsp. renigera. I was about to > upload the paper. Thanks you sent the link. > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:04 AM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Good morning Sir >> >> A more elaborate discussion on cultivation and hybrids - >> http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/103/02/0178.pdf >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:32 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sir, >>> >>> Our market gives same result, attaching photographs. >>> These are all either *M. subangulata* ssp. *renigera*, or a hybrid form >>> as have been discussed in one of the links you provided in earlier >>> discussion - >>> http://www.academicjournals.org/ajar/fulltext/2011/4July/Bharathi%20et%20al.htm >>> . >>> >>> WILD & CULTIVATED >>> >>> I told, in my 1st post, that we have two KAKROL, one wild type and the >>> other found in markets. I made mistake because 1) i was (and am) rather >>> very novice 2) i found the plant in the wild. >>> >>> According to two or three local people the wilds have much bigger fruits >>> and can only be found in rural jungles. My sources are all searching! >>> >>> HYBRID? >>> >>> As for these fruits, sold in the markets, can it be a hybrid? Because at >>> least in one of my photos uploaded in the first >>> post<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/tmmOgn82pgg/uDu9GvDlx8cJ>shows >>> glands on the leaf margin at base. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Yesterday I photographed fruits sold in Delhi under the name Kakrol, >>>> the fruits are turning yellow as they mature, almost rounded at the flower >>>> end (not gradually narrowed) and important definitely longer than 5 cm, 5-7 >>>> cm long. >>>> >>>> >>>> I had earlier uploaded fruits of plant thought to be M. dioica >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20dioica/indiantreepix/ybpPnAow2X4/RGvr5zE5w9AJ >>>> >>>> Tanay suggested M. cochinchinensis, but perhaps my showing him true >>>> link of M. cochinchinensis he retracted (I now think my plant is M. >>>> renigera) >>>> In the same thread Balkar ji uploaded what looks like true M. dioica, >>>> with yellow flowers lacking dark corolla spots, smaller fruits (less than 5 >>>> cm long) distinctly narrowed towards flower end. >>>> >>>> Surajit ji uploaded a nicely illustrated plant without fruits, with >>>> clearly dark spotted corolla which could identify it with M. >>>> cochinchinensis or M. renigera >>>> >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20cochinchinensis/indiantreepix/tmmOgn82pgg/W_A0MT3Iv2cJ >>>> >>>> Surajit backed it up with another upload with flowers and fruits in >>>> different stages, and after I photographed fresh fruits two days back, I >>>> feel Surajit's plant resembles mine from Delhi market sold as kakrol. My >>>> fruits are broadly ovoid (not gradually narrowed like M. dioica) and 5-7 cm >>>> long. >>>> BOTH MY PLANT AS WELL AS ONE UPLOADED BY SURAJIT JI I FEEL IS M. >>>> RENIGERA NOW KNOWN AS M. SUBANGULATA SUBSP. RENIGERA >>>> >>>> The same seems to true of plant uploaded by Vijayasankar ji as M. >>>> cochinchinensis is also M. subangulata subsp. renigera. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20cochinchinensis/indiantreepix/0iL7vLSVB2Y/JIn573UHyLkJ >>>> >>>> Perhaps you will agree with me if see real fruits of Gac fruit, M. >>>> cochinchinensis, with much larger fruits (10-15 cm in diam), yellow in >>>> colour finally turning red, with more spaced shorter but stronger spines. >>>> >>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=120267&flora_id=2 >>>> >>>> http://www.edibleblog.com/gac-fruit-a-wonderful-fruit/ >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.culturalembracebyapi.com/blog/2012/12/fathers-day-chiang-mai-and-exotic-fruits/ >>>> >>>> PERHAPS SOON SOME MEMBER WILL FIND AND UPLOAD M. COCHINCHINENSIS, THE >>>> GAC FRUIT AND REMOVE THE CONFUSION OF APPLYING NAME KAKROL TO IT. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
