Yes Surajit ji In fact it was this paper which clinched the issue of our plant not being M. cochinchinensis rather M. subangulata subsp. renigera. I was about to upload the paper. Thanks you sent the link.
-- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:04 AM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Good morning Sir > > A more elaborate discussion on cultivation and hybrids - > http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/103/02/0178.pdf > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 10:32 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sir, >> >> Our market gives same result, attaching photographs. >> These are all either *M. subangulata* ssp. *renigera*, or a hybrid form >> as have been discussed in one of the links you provided in earlier >> discussion - >> http://www.academicjournals.org/ajar/fulltext/2011/4July/Bharathi%20et%20al.htm >> . >> >> WILD & CULTIVATED >> >> I told, in my 1st post, that we have two KAKROL, one wild type and the >> other found in markets. I made mistake because 1) i was (and am) rather >> very novice 2) i found the plant in the wild. >> >> According to two or three local people the wilds have much bigger fruits >> and can only be found in rural jungles. My sources are all searching! >> >> HYBRID? >> >> As for these fruits, sold in the markets, can it be a hybrid? Because at >> least in one of my photos uploaded in the first >> post<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/tmmOgn82pgg/uDu9GvDlx8cJ>shows >> glands on the leaf margin at base. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Yesterday I photographed fruits sold in Delhi under the name Kakrol, the >>> fruits are turning yellow as they mature, almost rounded at the flower end >>> (not gradually narrowed) and important definitely longer than 5 cm, 5-7 cm >>> long. >>> >>> >>> I had earlier uploaded fruits of plant thought to be M. dioica >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20dioica/indiantreepix/ybpPnAow2X4/RGvr5zE5w9AJ >>> >>> Tanay suggested M. cochinchinensis, but perhaps my showing him true link >>> of M. cochinchinensis he retracted (I now think my plant is M. renigera) >>> In the same thread Balkar ji uploaded what looks like true M. dioica, >>> with yellow flowers lacking dark corolla spots, smaller fruits (less than 5 >>> cm long) distinctly narrowed towards flower end. >>> >>> Surajit ji uploaded a nicely illustrated plant without fruits, with >>> clearly dark spotted corolla which could identify it with M. >>> cochinchinensis or M. renigera >>> >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20cochinchinensis/indiantreepix/tmmOgn82pgg/W_A0MT3Iv2cJ >>> >>> Surajit backed it up with another upload with flowers and fruits in >>> different stages, and after I photographed fresh fruits two days back, I >>> feel Surajit's plant resembles mine from Delhi market sold as kakrol. My >>> fruits are broadly ovoid (not gradually narrowed like M. dioica) and 5-7 cm >>> long. >>> BOTH MY PLANT AS WELL AS ONE UPLOADED BY SURAJIT JI I FEEL IS M. >>> RENIGERA NOW KNOWN AS M. SUBANGULATA SUBSP. RENIGERA >>> >>> The same seems to true of plant uploaded by Vijayasankar ji as M. >>> cochinchinensis is also M. subangulata subsp. renigera. >>> >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Momordica$20cochinchinensis/indiantreepix/0iL7vLSVB2Y/JIn573UHyLkJ >>> >>> Perhaps you will agree with me if see real fruits of Gac fruit, M. >>> cochinchinensis, with much larger fruits (10-15 cm in diam), yellow in >>> colour finally turning red, with more spaced shorter but stronger spines. >>> >>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=120267&flora_id=2 >>> >>> http://www.edibleblog.com/gac-fruit-a-wonderful-fruit/ >>> >>> >>> http://www.culturalembracebyapi.com/blog/2012/12/fathers-day-chiang-mai-and-exotic-fruits/ >>> >>> PERHAPS SOON SOME MEMBER WILL FIND AND UPLOAD M. COCHINCHINENSIS, THE >>> GAC FRUIT AND REMOVE THE CONFUSION OF APPLYING NAME KAKROL TO IT. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
