Yes Surajit ji Thanks my doubts were not unfounded. Today I also sent the photograph to our member Dr. Renner, a world authority on Cucurbitaceae, especially Cucumis. He has confirmed the plant to be C. melo,
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Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:43 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Sir, > > A correction or addition - i couldn't find names of varieties, but a few > culinary blog discussions suggest presence of many varieties/cultivars of > DOSAKAYA. > > Thank you > Regards > surajit > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:38 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sir, >> >> As per internet DOSAKAYA or DOSA KAYA is often used for cucumber, eg.- >> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=2HyC4-GJ50YC&pg=PA502&lpg=PA502&dq=dosakaya+fruit&source=bl&ots=DsKY-pWqXZ&sig=v_JAAwxygyFzeBUwXqOC5mfB4xc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NazNUdXELsOXrAfQoYCgCw&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=dosakaya%20fruit&f=false >> >> There are many varieties of DOSAKAY, as can be searched in the net. >> >> An article may help - http://cuke.hort.ncsu.edu/cgc/cgc03/cgc3-35.html >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:21 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>> >>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>> >>> If these two photographs really belong to dosakaya, then it is a melon >>> (Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. dudaim). >>> http://pallavi-foodblog.blogspot.in/2008/07/garden.html >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> >>> >>> >>> According to Piddington *Cucumis utilissimus* (Roxb.) is DOSKAY in >>> Telinga (p26 & p131). >>> Flora Indica, vol3, p721 describes, "... leaves five lobed, lobes >>> rounded, ... fruit short-oval, smooth. variegated, of the size of small >>> melon...... appears to me to be by far the most useful species....... when >>> little more than one-half grown they are oblong, and a little downy, in >>> this state they are pickled; when ripe they are about as large as an >>> ostrich's egg, smooth and yellow....... flavour of the melon..... this >>> agriculture is chiefly confined in to the Guntoor Circar....." >>> The illustration of the above - http://images.kew.org/ >>> cucumis_utilissimus_roxb/print/654452.html. >>> GRIN page - http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?404418 >>> Other illustrations of *Cucumis melo* & ssp - http://www. >>> plantillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=297153 >>> There is another *Cucumis momordica* Roxb. - PEDDA DOSKAY in Teling; >>> FOOTI in Bengali. "from 12 to 24 inches long, and three to six in diam..... >>> fruits when ripe bursting slowly". I have seen these in market and they are >>> eaten ripe as fruits, here. >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks Surajit >>> We seem to be moving towards Cucumis melo in place of Cucumis sativus as >>> suggested by most websites. >>> I seem to have both C. momordica, commonly grown in rajasthan with >>> pinkish-yellow skin and flesh. It is now Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. >>> momordica >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cucumis$ >>> 20momordica/indiantreepix/hEfwrm2XtQw/-2S9IRmaAccJ >>> C. agrestris susbp. agrestris var. conomon (the new name for C. >>> utillisimus Roxb.) I think is also different. I seem to have it. >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cucumis$ >>> 20conomon/indiantreepix/ei0yO-n_CiI/kg5xxbQkcREJ >>> I have asked my son to send me more photographs of Dosakaya from >>> California, with section through the flesh, because flesh of var. dudaim is >>> very distinct more like our Sarda fruit. I hope we should be moving towards >>> it after someone finds real dosakaya vine. >>> Thanks a lot Surajit ji for your painstaking research. >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Also important to mention that in Indian works the name C. *utilissimus >>> *has been much confused, often applied to C. flexuousus, the tar or >>> kakri, of course wrongly as link by Surajit ji shows, and the following >>> discussion in Fl. Pakistan >>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250077273 >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>> Date: 13 June 2013 22:11 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:157520] Dossakaya is it Cucumis sativus or >>> Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. dudaim >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Nidhan Singh < >>> [email protected]>, Vijayasankar Raman <[email protected]>, >>> Dr Santhosh Kumar <[email protected]>, "D.S Rawat" < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Dossakaya or dosakai the common fruit used in South India in sambar and >>> pachari preparations has been bothering me for some time. I saw plenty of >>> fruits sold in Indian stores in california, although I never found them >>> being sold here in Delhi. >>> Most websites including Wikipedia identify it as Cucumis sativus, but >>> the shape of the fruit, its size and skin does not support this. >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucumber >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cucumber_dosakai.jpg >>> >>> There is one website calling it Cucumis callosus that is considered as >>> C. melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis by Fl. Pakistan, but C. melo subsp. >>> melo by GRIN >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=j7fRTYqMLaI >>> >>> Yet another website considers it as C. melo subsp. agrestis var. dudaim >>> >>> >>> http://chivukulakitchen.blogspot.in/2010/04/dosakaya-pacchadi-round-yellow-cucumber.html >>> >>> >>> This last one looks more logical as fruits resemble pocket melons except >>> larger size. var. chito (lime melon, apple melon) look even more closer to >>> our dosakai. >>> >>> Can any friend help to solve this dilemma. >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> With regards, >>> J.M.Garg >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species*& >>> eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged >>> alphabetically & place-wise): >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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