Thank you Sir, we all learn from your posts. Regards surajit
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > Yes Surajit ji > Thanks my doubts were not unfounded. Today I also sent the photograph to > our member Dr. Renner, a world authority on Cucurbitaceae, especially > Cucumis. He has confirmed the plant to be C. melo, > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:43 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Sir, >> >> A correction or addition - i couldn't find names of varieties, but a few >> culinary blog discussions suggest presence of many varieties/cultivars of >> DOSAKAYA. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:38 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sir, >>> >>> As per internet DOSAKAYA or DOSA KAYA is often used for cucumber, eg.- >>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=2HyC4-GJ50YC&pg=PA502&lpg=PA502&dq=dosakaya+fruit&source=bl&ots=DsKY-pWqXZ&sig=v_JAAwxygyFzeBUwXqOC5mfB4xc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=NazNUdXELsOXrAfQoYCgCw&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=dosakaya%20fruit&f=false >>> >>> There are many varieties of DOSAKAY, as can be searched in the net. >>> >>> An article may help - http://cuke.hort.ncsu.edu/cgc/cgc03/cgc3-35.html >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:21 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>> >>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>> >>>> If these two photographs really belong to dosakaya, then it is a melon >>>> (Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. dudaim). >>>> http://pallavi-foodblog.blogspot.in/2008/07/garden.html >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> According to Piddington *Cucumis utilissimus* (Roxb.) is DOSKAY in >>>> Telinga (p26 & p131). >>>> Flora Indica, vol3, p721 describes, "... leaves five lobed, lobes >>>> rounded, ... fruit short-oval, smooth. variegated, of the size of small >>>> melon...... appears to me to be by far the most useful species....... when >>>> little more than one-half grown they are oblong, and a little downy, in >>>> this state they are pickled; when ripe they are about as large as an >>>> ostrich's egg, smooth and yellow....... flavour of the melon..... this >>>> agriculture is chiefly confined in to the Guntoor Circar....." >>>> The illustration of the above - http://images.kew.org/ >>>> cucumis_utilissimus_roxb/print/654452.html. >>>> GRIN page - http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?404418 >>>> Other illustrations of *Cucumis melo* & ssp - http://www. >>>> plantillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=297153 >>>> There is another *Cucumis momordica* Roxb. - PEDDA DOSKAY in Teling; >>>> FOOTI in Bengali. "from 12 to 24 inches long, and three to six in diam..... >>>> fruits when ripe bursting slowly". I have seen these in market and they are >>>> eaten ripe as fruits, here. >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Surajit >>>> We seem to be moving towards Cucumis melo in place of Cucumis sativus >>>> as suggested by most websites. >>>> I seem to have both C. momordica, commonly grown in rajasthan with >>>> pinkish-yellow skin and flesh. It is now Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. >>>> momordica >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cucumis$ >>>> 20momordica/indiantreepix/hEfwrm2XtQw/-2S9IRmaAccJ >>>> C. agrestris susbp. agrestris var. conomon (the new name for C. >>>> utillisimus Roxb.) I think is also different. I seem to have it. >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cucumis$ >>>> 20conomon/indiantreepix/ei0yO-n_CiI/kg5xxbQkcREJ >>>> I have asked my son to send me more photographs of Dosakaya from >>>> California, with section through the flesh, because flesh of var. dudaim is >>>> very distinct more like our Sarda fruit. I hope we should be moving towards >>>> it after someone finds real dosakaya vine. >>>> Thanks a lot Surajit ji for your painstaking research. >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Also important to mention that in Indian works the name C. *utilissimus >>>> *has been much confused, often applied to C. flexuousus, the tar or >>>> kakri, of course wrongly as link by Surajit ji shows, and the following >>>> discussion in Fl. Pakistan >>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250077273 >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 13 June 2013 22:11 >>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:157520] Dossakaya is it Cucumis sativus or >>>> Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. dudaim >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]>, Nidhan Singh < >>>> [email protected]>, Vijayasankar Raman <[email protected]>, >>>> Dr Santhosh Kumar <[email protected]>, "D.S Rawat" < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dossakaya or dosakai the common fruit used in South India in sambar >>>> and pachari preparations has been bothering me for some time. I saw plenty >>>> of fruits sold in Indian stores in california, although I never found them >>>> being sold here in Delhi. >>>> Most websites including Wikipedia identify it as Cucumis sativus, but >>>> the shape of the fruit, its size and skin does not support this. >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucumber >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cucumber_dosakai.jpg >>>> >>>> There is one website calling it Cucumis callosus that is considered as >>>> C. melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis by Fl. Pakistan, but C. melo subsp. >>>> melo by GRIN >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=j7fRTYqMLaI >>>> >>>> Yet another website considers it as C. melo subsp. agrestis var. dudaim >>>> >>>> >>>> http://chivukulakitchen.blogspot.in/2010/04/dosakaya-pacchadi-round-yellow-cucumber.html >>>> >>>> >>>> This last one looks more logical as fruits resemble pocket melons >>>> except larger size. var. chito (lime melon, apple melon) look even more >>>> closer to our dosakai. >>>> >>>> Can any friend help to solve this dilemma. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J.M.Garg >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species >>>> * & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged >>>> alphabetically & place-wise): >>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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